Around the NHL, Off-Season Edition

[Linkens Mastery]

Didn't realize that it was 41 games across teams. Makes sense that he would. Don't know how we could have won it without him.

Via Wikipedia this is why Del Zotto was added

Del Zotto, Michael - St. Louis Blues 2019 {1} - played 42 regular season games 23 for Vancouver, 12 for Anaheim & 7 for St. Louis. Did not play in the playoffs, included for spending whole season in the NHL.


Basically, the Blues Vouched for him to be added to the Cup and the NHL complied

 

[Majorityof1]

It does feel weird, he’s the one guy on that trophy that contributed nothing to the team.

And I just don’t like the guy in general from what I’ve heard about him. Seems like a douchebag off the ice.

It’s not a big deal at all but I actually wish we didn’t give him that fortune of having his name on the Cup.

I don't follow players off-ice lives that closely, so I may have missed some other stuff. I always had a soft-spot for Del Zotto due to an article I read about him off-ice. In his early 20s he met a 12 year old kid with Cerebral Palsy when he joined NY as one of those things the media department sets up. But he became really close to the kid, and they called or texted almost daily. When Del Zotto was traded, Rangers fans took up a collection to fly the kid out to see Del Zotto in Nashville. I don't know what else he's done off ice, but I can't see him as all douchebag if he stays friends with a sick kid even through a trade.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Via Wikipedia this is why Del Zotto was added

Del Zotto, Michael - St. Louis Blues 2019 {1} - played 42 regular season games 23 for Vancouver, 12 for Anaheim & 7 for St. Louis. Did not play in the playoffs, included for spending whole season in the NHL.


Basically, the Blues Vouched for him to be added to the Cup and the NHL complied

This.

Each team gets 52 name slots on the Cup. If someone does not meet the requirements, you can petition to have their name added so long as you are still under your 52 slot allotment

 

[jura]

in that case they've better saved the slot for Bergie

 

[Reality Czech]

Johnny Gaurdreau was the guest on Spittin' Chiclets this week and it was a very informative, entertaining interview. Basically he said he still didn't know what he was going to do leading up to the deadline and he never even heard from Columbus until 4pm on signing day. Just goes to show that these decisions aren't as straightforward as they may seem from the outside. He wasn't leading Calgary along, he just needed as much time as possible to make such a massive decision. The sense I got is that he wanted to be closer to family and Columbus is the type of place where he wanted to settle down long-term.

Anthony DeAngelo is the guest on Cam and Strick this week, and that should be another eye-opening interview which will likely answer a few questions about him.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I'm glad he Gaudreau went to Columbus. That team and fanbase deserve better, and there isn't a strong reason for them to not be a realistic destination for free agents. Just inertia. I've certainly never meant an entitled Bluejackets fan.

 

[joe galiba]

I'm glad he Gaudreau went to Columbus. That team and fanbase deserve better, and there isn't a strong reason for them to not be a realistic destination for free agents. Just inertia. I've certainly never meant an entitled Bluejackets fan.

I have a Bluejackets cap, it was a miss-shipment to us, a box of them was sitting on top of a pallet of material for us and the truck line never got us an answer on where it was supposed to go

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Is there any chance Calgary opted for arbitration to facilitate TRADING Tkachuk this offseason? If they are certain he's walking after one year, and they were locked into a negotiation that could drag out, they could just want to get a middle-range one-year contract on the books for a trade they've already worked on out principle.

I think Tkachuk to the Blues has been overstated, but I'm starting to wonder whether something like Tarasenko, a defenseman and futures would appeal to Calgary. I don't want to go down this path too far, but I was trying to understand the arbitration choice, which still seems weird. But maybe getting his contract signed sooner than later is the value for the Flames.

 

[BlueDream]

Is there any chance Calgary opted for arbitration to facilitate TRADING Tkachuk this offseason? If they are certain he's walking after one year, and they were locked into a negotiation that could drag out, they could just want to get a middle-range one-year contract on the books for a trade they've already worked on out principle.

I think Tkachuk to the Blues has been overstated, but I'm starting to wonder whether something like Tarasenko, a defenseman and futures would appeal to Calgary. I don't want to go down this path too far, but I was trying to understand the arbitration choice, which still seems weird. But maybe getting his contract signed sooner than later is the value for the Flames.

Yes it seems very possible.





I think there's going to be a lot of pressure from the Calgary media/fanbase to not let this turn into another Gaudreau situation.

 

[Drubilly]

Is there any chance Calgary opted for arbitration to facilitate TRADING Tkachuk this offseason? If they are certain he's walking after one year, and they were locked into a negotiation that could drag out, they could just want to get a middle-range one-year contract on the books for a trade they've already worked on out principle.

I think Tkachuk to the Blues has been overstated, but I'm starting to wonder whether something like Tarasenko, a defenseman and futures would appeal to Calgary. I don't want to go down this path too far, but I was trying to understand the arbitration choice, which still seems weird. But maybe getting his contract signed sooner than later is the value for the Flames.

This is the point I was trying to bring up on the main trade board. As in Calgary is trying to protect their trade options by controlling the amount of his QO on the one year contract. OR The Flames are negotiating an extension his new team will trade for. Hope this makes sense…lol

 

[tfriede2]

101.1 had a guest on from some hockey site (escapes me) who suggested Kyrou + Perunovich + Bolduc should be enough to get it done. Yeah, that’s not happening. Kyrou alone would be an overpayment, IMO, given the very little leverage Calgary has (assuming MT indeed wants out).

 

[Linkens Mastery]

101.1 had a guest on from some hockey site (escapes me) who suggested Kyrou + Perunovich + Bolduc should be enough to get it done. Yeah, that’s not happening. Kyrou alone would be an overpayment, IMO, given the very little leverage Calgary has (assuming MT indeed wants out).

Just means it's going to end up being Bolduc+Scandella+Barbashev+1st rounder.

 

[rumrokh]

101.1 had a guest on from some hockey site (escapes me) who suggested Kyrou + Perunovich + Bolduc should be enough to get it done. Yeah, that’s not happening. Kyrou alone would be an overpayment, IMO, given the very little leverage Calgary has (assuming MT indeed wants out).

Also completely ignores the salary cap. Teams don't make huge trades that also require other huge trades. Maybe a three-way trade with Tarasenko going east, but that's a massive thing to engineer. Especially when Tkachuk could simply refuse to sign long-term with any team and go to free agency in a year.

 

[Xanadude]

The only way we get Tkachuk at this point requires us to send Tarasenko (or somehow multiple players with equivalent total salary) out. Salary simply won't work otherwise. I want Matty in a Blues jersey but man it'll take work.

 

[Reality Czech]

Also completely ignores the salary cap. Teams don't make huge trades that also require other huge trades. Maybe a three-way trade with Tarasenko going east, but that's a massive thing to engineer. Especially when Tkachuk could simply refuse to sign long-term with any team and go to free agency in a year.

Yeah, it would be super complicated. I'm on board with Tkachuk, but only if it makes sense for the Blues. Another problem trading Tarasenko is we don't know how willing he would be to sign an extension elsewhere or if he's determined to go to market. That obviously would hurt his value if we are going to move him.

 

[TheDizee]

Offer them package which includes Scandella, Barbashev, High draft pick and perhaps a prospect.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

Sucks to be a Calgary fan right now.

 

[BlueMed]

I would be willing to flip Tarasenko to the Eastern Conference for a future first round pick, Perunovich, and Kostin for Tkachuk but not much more than that given that Calgary has absolutely no leverage here and everyone in the hockey world knows it.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

This is why those saying just wait for him in UFA are likely barking up wrong tree. By telling Flames he won't resign he will almost certainly be traded. Unless he is only willing to play for Blues- not at all likely even though we appear to be his preferred destination- if we want him for the rest of his prime it is going to have to be in a trade.

 

[Stealth JD]

This is why those saying just wait for him in UFA are likely barking up wrong tree. By telling Flames he won't resign he will almost certainly be traded. Unless he is only willing to play for Blues- not at all likely even though we appear to be his preferred destination- if we want him for the rest of his prime it is going to have to be in a trade.

Yep - whoever trades for him gets his next 9-years. No doubt teams will understand and meet his contract demands prior to any trade.

Flip Tarasenko and Scandella for futures, and send those to CGY along with your 1st and a ‘good’ prospect. Every team in the league that is interested could match that offer in one way or another. But if you don’t have the desire/space/cajones to commit that kind of coin, then best to come right out and say it.

Army has always been a big-game hunter though. $9.5 with a rising cap and your two highest contract coming off the books is doable though. I’d still rather have a stud LHD, (Hanifin ain’t that, he’s a clear tier below what I’d consider Tkachuk-level) but that’s probably not a possibility at this juncture. Absent that though…why not throw caution to the wind and go heavy-O and try to outscore your defensive issues? That shit will sell tickets.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

If Tarasenko's trade request is still in force, and if the Blues trade for Tkachuk, I think Calgary might need/want Tarasenko as part of the return. The Blues would need it, to clear a chunk of salary. Calgary (even if Vlad won't re-sign there) would need to have some star power and more than pure futures to show for such a trade, or the offseason looks like a complete train wreck for them.

I think the Blues could offer Tarasenko, Perunovich/Mikkola/Barbashev, a 1st, and maybe Bolduc. I think Neighbors slots in this season, so they won't include him. It looks like a nice package for Calgary, but it ends up being another trade where Armstrong gathers a lot of spare change for the best piece coming back. Losing Tarasenko means little, since he's probably gone after this season anyway, and he's late enough in his career that his next contract looks unappealing if you can get a younger player at his spot.

I kind of think Tarasenko will end up on the east coast after the dust settles in a couple years.

Calgary's front office is in a tough situation. I think the Blues will pay more than we (the forum) expect to Calgary for Tkachuk. But most of it will be to clear sufficient salary, or will be futures that don't figure into the current Cup window. Calgary has no leverage, and they desperately need to do something to make this offseason not look like a complete cluster headache. I don't think they were nearly as close to being a true Cup contender as their fans thought they were, but its over now.

 

[Xanadude]

If Tarasenko's trade request is still in force, and if the Blues trade for Tkachuk, I think Calgary might need/want Tarasenko as part of the return. The Blues would need it, to clear a chunk of salary. Calgary (even if Vlad won't re-sign there) would need to have some star power and more than pure futures to show for such a trade, or the offseason looks like a complete train wreck for them.

I think the Blues could offer Tarasenko, Perunovich/Mikkola/Barbashev, a 1st, and maybe Bolduc. I think Neighbors slots in this season, so they won't include him. It looks like a nice package for Calgary, but it ends up being another trade where Armstrong gathers a lot of spare change for the best piece coming back. Losing Tarasenko means little, since he's probably gone after this season anyway, and he's late enough in his career that his next contract looks unappealing if you can get a younger player at his spot.

I kind of think Tarasenko will end up on the east coast after the dust settles in a couple years.

Calgary's front office is in a tough situation. I think the Blues will pay more than we (the forum) expect to Calgary for Tkachuk. But most of it will be to clear sufficient salary, or will be futures that don't figure into the current Cup window. Calgary has no leverage, and they desperately need to do something to make this offseason not look like a complete cluster headache. I don't think they were nearly as close to being a true Cup contender as their fans thought they were, but its over now.

No matter what happens, we're $600,000 below the cap and would need to clear out at least 8.5 million for Tkachuk. Tarasenko + Mikkola does that, as would Tarasenko + Barby (but I'm doubting we send away NHL-ready forwards, considering we're almost at the point of needing to dress 1 short with this roster). If Tarasenko's willing to go to Calgary for a year, then I'd be very happy with a Tarasenko + a first + Mikkola for Tkachuk trade, ecstatic even. I'd take Tkachuk now over 2017 PPG sniper Vladdy, let alone getting Tkachuk for all of his prime.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

If Tarasenko's trade request is still in force, and if the Blues trade for Tkachuk, I think Calgary might need/want Tarasenko as part of the return. The Blues would need it, to clear a chunk of salary. Calgary (even if Vlad won't re-sign there) would need to have some star power and more than pure futures to show for such a trade, or the offseason looks like a complete train wreck for them.

I think the Blues could offer Tarasenko, Perunovich/Mikkola/Barbashev, a 1st, and maybe Bolduc. I think Neighbors slots in this season, so they won't include him. It looks like a nice package for Calgary, but it ends up being another trade where Armstrong gathers a lot of spare change for the best piece coming back. Losing Tarasenko means little, since he's probably gone after this season anyway, and he's late enough in his career that his next contract looks unappealing if you can get a younger player at his spot.

I kind of think Tarasenko will end up on the east coast after the dust settles in a couple years.

Calgary's front office is in a tough situation. I think the Blues will pay more than we (the forum) expect to Calgary for Tkachuk. But most of it will be to clear sufficient salary, or will be futures that don't figure into the current Cup window. Calgary has no leverage, and they desperately need to do something to make this offseason not look like a complete cluster headache. I don't think they were nearly as close to being a true Cup contender as their fans thought they were, but its over now.

I know whatever we give up will hurt, but this feels like too much pain. It’s basically Tank and 3 1s. I think Tank plus 2 1s and maybe something lesser is the line.

 

[Stealth JD]

So the Oilers owner, Darly Katz, is apparently a pedophile. He's accused of paying an underage ballerina hush-money to cover up some disgusting behavior. Maybe the Oilers are on a path to a much needed leadership/ownership change.

 

[The Note]

So the Oilers owner, Darly Katz, is apparently a pedophile. He's accused of paying an underage ballerina hush-money to cover up some disgusting behavior. Maybe the Oilers are on a path to a much needed leadership/ownership change.

I hope so. But, as Dan Snyder has proved in the NFL, it is very tough to get these rich assholes out of these positions. Even when - in Snyder's case - he is ducking a congressional hearing.