Around The NHL Discussion 2021-22 Part II

[Linkens Mastery]

Shea Theodore, younger and cheaper just hitting his prime and he's an amazing 2- way defender. Also his contract is amazing.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Tuch and Theodore make just under $10mm combined, so maybe start there.

I think moving Theodore in a deal for Eichel would be a pretty big mistake. Theodore is a huge part of their defense and if you take him out of the equation I think it’s pretty pedestrian.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I think moving Theodore in a deal for Eichel would be a pretty big mistake. Theodore is a huge part of their defense and if you take him out of the equation I think it’s pretty pedestrian.

Trading Theodore would be such a massive mistake it could set them back a few years. That's why I fully expect it to be Patches.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Ok, so neither Theodore nor Pietro go back. Where are they clearing this cap space for Eichel? Buffalo will not want old vets in their final years. A guy like Pacioretty doesn’t move the needle much for value to Buffalo.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Ok, so neither Theodore nor Pietro go back. Where are they clearing this cap space for Eichel? Buffalo will not want old vets in their final years. A guy like Pacioretty doesn’t move the needle much for value to Buffalo.

Patches can be flipped again for picks. He wouldn't be worthless for Buffalo. And he'd have the biggest effect towards the caphit based on his 7mil.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Ok, so neither Theodore nor Pietro go back. Where are they clearing this cap space for Eichel? Buffalo will not want old vets in their final years. A guy like Pacioretty doesn’t move the needle much for value to Buffalo.

Exactly. This is why feels like needs to be Theodore and Tuch as starting point.

 

[MissouriMook]

Trading Theodore would be such a massive mistake it could set them back a few years. That's why I fully expect it to be Patches.

Patches has a 10 team no-trade list and I'd bet a substantial sum that Buffalo is on said list.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Patches has a 10 team no-trade list and I'd bet a substantial sum that Buffalo is on said list.

If you can't block a trade to Buffalo, what is point of having a no-trade list. #bergiesagentscrewedupandendedhiscareer

 

[bleedblue1223]

Eichel will go on LTIR, when is he even expected back? Vegas wouldn't need to clear much space immediately.

Vegas would obviously move Dadonov before Theodore. Or Reilly Smith. If they move Theodore in this deal, they are idiots, simply because that would be bad value and from a cap perspective, they don't have to.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I get that Eichel is talented and all that, but why would any team take this risk?

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I get that Eichel is talented and all that, but why would any team take this risk?

It's Vegas they are a revolving door of players

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Smith and Tuch are the only forwards making significant money with no trade protection. I'd wager just about every partial NTC has Buffalo on that list.

They have a whopping $75mil committed to 12 players next season. Adding Eichel would put them upwards of $80mil depending on who the roster players that are involved. Vegas would essentially be moving all in on this season and betting it on a guy who will have gone a year without playing a game and will be coming off of a neck surgery.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Smith and Tuch are the only forwards making significant money with no trade protection. I'd wager just about every partial NTC has Buffalo on that list.

They have a whopping $75mil committed to 12 players next season. Adding Eichel would put them upwards of $80mil depending on who the roster players that are involved. Vegas would essentially be moving all in on this season and betting it on a guy who will have gone a year without playing a game and will be coming off of a neck surgery.

Idiotic

 

[TheDizee]

took until november but the hawks got a win

 

[Brian39]

Eichel will go on LTIR, when is he even expected back? Vegas wouldn't need to clear much space immediately.

Vegas would obviously move Dadonov before Theodore. Or Reilly Smith. If they move Theodore in this deal, they are idiots, simply because that would be bad value and from a cap perspective, they don't have to.

Exactly this. People are really overstating the amount of cap that they would need to shed for this season. At the moment, they can add $5.765M to the roster and be compliant. Which means that they would need to clear about $4.235M in space to fit Eichel on the roster. Making Dadonov part of the deal creates more than enough space. Eichel would then immediately be moved to LTIR so that they can move the currently LTIRed players back on to the roster when they are ready. The recovery timeline for Eichel if he gets the procedure he wants (as stated by his agent and an independent doctor on Marek's radio show) is somewhere in the 4-6 months range. That means that there is basically no question that they can leave him on LTIR for the entire regular season and then bring him back for playoffs. They can get Eichel for a playoff run this season without subtracting anything more than a 3rd line winger from their roster. If Stone goes on LTIR, then they wouldn't have to move anyone in order to acquire and then LTIR stash Eichel.

The issue comes in dealing with the cap next summer, but moving a salary without creating huge holes is easier in the summer than mid-season. Guys like Tuch, Marchessault, Karlsson, and Pacioretty are positive value contracts at the draft or early summer with no or limited trade protection (10 or fewer team no-trade lists).

Vegas is going to have to put together a very strong futures-value package to get it done, but they don't need to gut their current team to make it work.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Exactly this. People are really overstating the amount of cap that they would need to shed for this season. At the moment, they can add $5.765M to the roster and be compliant. Which means that they would need to clear about $4.235M in space to fit Eichel on the roster. Making Dadonov part of the deal creates more than enough space. Eichel would then immediately be moved to LTIR so that they can move the currently LTIRed players back on to the roster when they are ready. The recovery timeline for Eichel if he gets the procedure he wants (as stated by his agent and an independent doctor on Marek's radio show) is somewhere in the 4-6 months range. That means that there is basically no question that they can leave him on LTIR for the entire regular season and then bring him back for playoffs. They can get Eichel for a playoff run this season without subtracting anything more than a 3rd line winger from their roster. If Stone goes on LTIR, then they wouldn't have to move anyone in order to acquire and then LTIR stash Eichel.

The issue comes in dealing with the cap next summer, but moving a salary without creating huge holes is easier in the summer than mid-season. Guys like Tuch, Marchessault, Karlsson, and Pacioretty are positive value contracts at the draft or early summer with no or limited trade protection (10 or fewer team no-trade lists).

Vegas is going to have to put together a very strong futures-value package to get it done, but they don't need to gut their current team to make it work.

They only have cap space bc Tuch and Patches are on LTIR. They won't have space to add when healthy, but they could strategically use LTIR to get to playoffs.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Atchimg Calgary Nashville game and those teams both look terrible. Like players have never met their line mates and teams have no offensive structure. Some nice individual players, but…

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I both feel bad and don't feel bad for Calgary.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

And I get that Flanes have good record. They have fair bit of talent. But this is brutal game to watch.

 

[simon IC]

I would love to poach Hanafin from Calgary, and to a lesser extent Myers from Nashville, but I don't think either is likely.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I would love to poach Hanafin from Calgary, and to a lesser extent Myers from Nashville, but I don't think either is likely.

While I'd like Myers, I think I'd rather have Mayfield from NYI. And Hanafin would be amazing.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I would love to poach Hanafin from Calgary, and to a lesser extent Myers from Nashville, but I don't think either is likely.

Han if an would be great, but don’t see him as available. Myers though seems like he has been scratched regularly. Unclear whether he is hurt, but really struggled last year. Could be worth a shot as buy low guy at some point but not clear that he could be more than 3rd pair guy if even.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

While I'd like Myers, I think I'd rather have Mayfield from NYI. And Hanafin would be amazing.

Isles should be adding d, not subtracting.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Isles should be adding d, not subtracting.

Oh, I 100% agree. I was just adding on to Simon's list of unlikely targets.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

And I get that Flanes have good record. They have fair bit of talent. But this is brutal game to watch.

I take it back. 2 minutes of Buffalo versus San Jose makes flames look like Gretzky oilers.