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Marner just needs to approach every playoff game with the same chip on his shoulder as a contract negotiation and he should be a beast.
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Marner just needs to approach every playoff game with the same chip on his shoulder as a contract negotiation and he should be a beast.
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I would say Aho is the baseline for him on any kind of long term deal.
Lou's history and cap predicament might as well confirm Barzal is getting a bridge though. Probably something like 6.5-7 x 3.
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Not sure he does with his last two seasons. He's their star and best player, but he's still coming off 60/68 and 62/82 seasons. Tough to cash in on 9+ as a sub PPG player the past 2 years while scoring less than 20 G each year (even if he would have hit it this year)
I feel like he ends up in the 7.5-8.5 range on a ~5 year deal. Bridge means less, max term will cost more IMO.
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stickty111
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Congrats to the Lightning. It's been a long time coming and they look poised to win. Great run by the Isles lead by Trotz and goaltending. Should be interesting what the Isles do. They have 3 good players to resign with low cap room, and they will want to get paid and knowing Lou, he will overpay them.
In regards to the final, I could honestly see the Stars winning it and as a matter of fact, I think they will win.
In regards to the final, I could honestly see the Stars winning it and as a matter of fact, I think they will win.
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Depends on term.
If it's 6 years i think it could hit that level. He's a centre so that gives him an extra bump.
But I think Isles try for a 3 year bridge. We'll see how accommodating the player is this October
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Now that the Isles run is over, lets look at the defensive stats for the Leafs and Isles in the playoffs.
CA/60
Leafs: 57.3(11th)
Islanders: 59.42(17th)
SCA/60
Leafs: 26.03(13th)
Islanders: 27.1(17th)
HDCA/60
Leafs: 7.22(1st)
Islanders: 10.01(11th)
xGA/60
Leafs: 1.75(1st)
Islanders: 2.09(10th)
SV%
Leafs: 92.42(12th)
Islanders: 93.19(6th)
So Leafs were better defensively in all areas, but got worse goaltending.
The funny thing is our goaltending was 1st in saving the high danger chances, but were middle of the pack in medium danger chances, and was last in low danger chances, while the Isles were the opposite.
This is to all the people who refuse to give any blame to Freddy. He allowed bad goals and the stats support it.
CA/60
Leafs: 57.3(11th)
Islanders: 59.42(17th)
SCA/60
Leafs: 26.03(13th)
Islanders: 27.1(17th)
HDCA/60
Leafs: 7.22(1st)
Islanders: 10.01(11th)
xGA/60
Leafs: 1.75(1st)
Islanders: 2.09(10th)
SV%
Leafs: 92.42(12th)
Islanders: 93.19(6th)
So Leafs were better defensively in all areas, but got worse goaltending.
The funny thing is our goaltending was 1st in saving the high danger chances, but were middle of the pack in medium danger chances, and was last in low danger chances, while the Isles were the opposite.
This is to all the people who refuse to give any blame to Freddy. He allowed bad goals and the stats support it.
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I’d smile larger if it were the Leafs and with missing this year and going out in the first round the prior years Marner hasn’t had enough opportunity to show ‘playoff intensity’. Have any of them?
Great post summarizing how the leafs D was good this playoff, and that’s without Jake for lots. It’s a game of inches out there.
Bellows & Wahlstrom - Snipers with size - exactly what the Isles are waiting for
Noah Dobson - Will be a full-time next year
Bode Wilde - Best D prospect on 20+ teams
They don’t just have a very good prospect pool, they have key guys in the minors/overseas who will be in the NHL next year.
- Ilya Sorokin - In NHL next year - probably the best goalie prospect not yet in the NHL
- Bellows & Wahlstrom - Snipers with size (exactly what NYI needs)
- Noah Dobson - Will be full-time next year - Plays similar to Pelech with much more offensive ability.
- Bode Wilde - Best D prospect on 15-20 teams (will probably only see the NHL next year if for injuries).
- Boychuk has a $6 million cap hit, but will only be paid $4million a year on the last 2 years of his deal. If they do need to add, it definitely won’t be a 1st/2nd.
- Leddy can be moved easily, but they’ll try to move Ladd / Boychuk / Komorov first.
- Definite chance Ladd on IR
they’ll have money for all their key pieces and have some big-time youth stepping into the lineup next year.
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I hate the Isles too and think they're massively overrated but its a 5 game sample against one team vs 10+ games against multiple teams including the best team in the NHL.
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How is a comparison of 5 (sorry non-playoff) games vs a team that can't score valid against a team that played 4 playin games vs Florida and 2 playoff rounds vs the #1 and #2 playoff seeds ??
The Leafs D was so good that Kyle is, as Lebrun put it, "super focused" on remaking it. You are reaching my friend.
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This is going to be a punishing series. If Khooby can keep his horseshoes in check, TB will be in tough.
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Islanders were shit in the regular season as well, before the league shut down they were falling apart, and they don't have a first or second round pick this year in a very deep draft. I'm putting zero stock in their performance in this years playoffs because it was different experience all together.
Those stats that Stickty posted correlate to the regular season as well.
Islanders were a shit possession team
Islanders were a shit offensive team
They were bottom five in scoring chances against per 60 minutes
They were bottom five in high danger scoring chances against per 60 minutes
Problem is most hockey fans aren't smart enough to understand this, which is why you can't have a normal conversation with them because they're already primitive thinkers, small picture people.
Islanders are a trash team, with horrible contracts and no draft picks.
Leddy is a trade chip, but he'd be a loss for the team
Ladd on IR would be interesting with him playing this post season, hasn't he stated he wants to keep playing?
What is Boychuk at this point? Would any team gamble on him being a mid pairing guy? Even a #5?
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It'd be great if the Leafs could find a way to play as "shit" as the Islanders and win their first playoff series in 15 years.
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This is where "genius" Lou gets to find out how genius he is. Big contracts to lower end talent only works until you have to sign your higher end talent. Systems get you so far. Regardless, you need talent as well.
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stickty111
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Agreed.
Thats fair, but the thing is once Keefe came in, the Leafs defensive stats were actually fine in the regular season as well, they got zero goaltending.
Pretty much all this. I see a fellow Leafs fans is already sticking up for the Islanders, but I'm not surprised. You say one bad thing about the Islanders, and they all come after you. That Islanders team got carried by goaltending, and that is not a good way to build a team.
Lou isn't able to get good players unless he massivly overpays for them
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