Around the NHL 2022-2023 *Mod warning in effect pg145

[Brian39]

What do you see as Provorov‘s value? He returned a late 1st and a 2nd. I would have gladly paid that price for him.

To be pedantic, pick #22 is closer to the middle of the first round than the end. Not a huge difference, but it is 3 and 7 picks higher than our late 1sts.

I'm not sure what we would have needed to include to beat this offer without blowing it out of the water. Pick #22 is better than pick #25 (obviously) and I'm not sure that our 2024 2nd rounder is more valuable than the one Columbus sent. Even if we offered our 2024 2nd with no conditions to make it more appealing, I don't think it bridges the gap in value between pick #22 and pick #25.

Realistically, I think we would have needed to offer #25, our 2024 2nd, and one of the 3rd rounders we own this year (with LA offering the same stuff to Philly to retain the same amount). I'm not super crazy about that given that Provorov only has 2 years left under contract and that trade wouldn't have shed any of our LHD money.

I think we'd have needed to drastically change the makeup of this deal to get salary out the door to Philly and then the math becomes way different. If Krug (or even Scandella) is going the other way, then suddenly Philly is probably not as able/willing to take on as much dead money for LA. That means less value coming back to Philly from LA that needs to come out of our pocket.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

Ya, the same trade wouldn't have worked for us due to our cap issues on D, but in a vacuum if we could have made the same trade and say Leddy just happened to retire, I think that's an incredible get.

I think it's a good trade for everyone. All three teams got what they want. I get that it seems weird for Columbus to "try and compete," since the East is so stacked, but like, f***ing good on them for at least trying. That team has been in a perpetual rebuild since the day of its origin.

I just thought it was funny that LA was basically shedding cap space but then was kinda/sorta forced to be the intermediary on Provorov....I suppose you could argue that they would have had to pay a higher price to someone else for the cap dumps, but who knows.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Ya, the same trade wouldn't have worked for us due to our cap issues on D, but in a vacuum if we could have made the same trade and say Leddy just happened to retire, I think that's an incredible get.

I think it's a good trade for everyone. All three teams got what they want. I get that it seems weird for Columbus to "try and compete," since the East is so stacked, but like, f***ing good on them for at least trying. That team has been in a perpetual rebuild since the day of its origin.

I just thought it was funny that LA was basically shedding cap space but then was kinda/sorta forced to be the intermediary on Provorov....I suppose you could argue that they would have had to pay a higher price to someone else for the cap dumps, but who knows.

Provorov has been bad for years. Leddy is better.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

I seemingly like Leddy a lot more then most others on this board, but I think on a team with better structure (so maybe not the Blues lol) and a lesser role, he'd be better then Leddy.

 

[542365]

I seemingly like Leddy a lot more then most others on this board, but I think on a team with better structure (so maybe not the Blues lol) and a lesser role, he'd be better then Leddy.

Bad players are typically bad regardless the team. Provorov is a big reason they were as bad as they were. He's just not very good and he was playing a TON of minutes. He won't be exposed as badly playing behind Werenski, but that doesn't change the fact that he's just not a very good player.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

Bad players are typically bad regardless the team. Provorov is a big reason they were as bad as they were. He's just not very good and he was playing a TON of minutes. He won't be exposed as badly playing behind Werenski, but that doesn't change the fact that he's just not a very good player.

AP looked terrible on Vegas for the 1st 1/2 of his 1st year - which just so happened to correspond with the team having a huge number of injuries and everyone playing like crap. People were basically saying he was done as a #1. Now he's the clear #1 on a team up 2-0 in the Finals. Role and team play factors in way more than you're making out to be.

 

[Xerloris]

AP looked terrible on Vegas for the 1st 1/2 of his 1st year - which just so happened to correspond with the team having a huge number of injuries and everyone playing like crap. People were basically saying he was done as a #1. Now he's the clear #1 on a team up 2-0 in the Finals. Role and team play factors in way more than you're making out to be.

But I was told Pietrangelo is a true #1 and a true #1 can carry everyone to their level. Are you saying that a true #1 cannot actually carry a shit team?

 

[BadgersandBlues]

Don't be pedantic. No one player can carry a shit team, that's silly. McDavid is the best player on the planet and he hasn't been able to do it - but there's a difference b/t a true #1 being able to play with pretty much anyone and carry the pair on a team that plays at a decent level vs. throwing a guy out there with AHL players and expecting him to hold his own against elite talent.

 

[Xerloris]

Don't be pedantic. No one player can carry a shit team, that's silly. McDavid is the best player on the planet and he hasn't been able to do it - but there's a difference b/t a true #1 being able to play with pretty much anyone and carry the pair on a team that plays at a decent level vs. throwing a guy out there with AHL players and expecting him to hold his own against elite talent.

You don't seem to get the point I am making. There's been an argument that Parayko should be able to carry our defense if he was a true #1. They claim Pietrangelo was able to do that, yet you're saying right now in this thread that Pietrangelo was not able to do that the first season in Vegas. I'm taking a shot at a bunch of dumbasses on this board. Not at you.

 

[PJJJP]

I just realized the Bruins fired Cassidy and now Cassidy is leading Vegas to the finals while the Bruins went out in the 1st round. It's very funny

 

[Xerloris]

I hate Stone so f***ing much. His stupid ass face just pisses me off.

 

[ScratchCatFever]

Lomberg's face is about as punchable as it gets.

 

[DoubleK81]

The Blackhawks need to do the NHL a favor and hire Eddie to a front office position so no one has to hear him in the booth ever again.

 

[TheDizee]

boring finals

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Who else lol

 

[MissouriMook]

Wow! What an absolutely awful call.

 

[542365]

AP looked terrible on Vegas for the 1st 1/2 of his 1st year - which just so happened to correspond with the team having a huge number of injuries and everyone playing like crap. People were basically saying he was done as a #1. Now he's the clear #1 on a team up 2-0 in the Finals. Role and team play factors in way more than you're making out to be.

Nope. Petro’s play was still strong even when Vegas was bad and Provorov has been caved in for most of the past four seasons. Good players are good. They can’t do it all by themselves, of course, so their teammates matter, but not nearly as much as you’re assuming.

 

[Xerloris]

Nope. Petro’s play was still strong even when Vegas was bad and Provorov has been caved in for most of the past four seasons. Good players are good. They can’t do it all by themselves, of course, so their teammates matter, but not nearly as much as you’re assuming.

Someone is confusing hockey with basketball.

 

[Xanadude]

Panthers win a must-win. I really hope this is a long series!

 

[ScratchCatFever]

boring finals

Verhagee: Hold my Dylan Mulvaney..

 

[BlueOil]

vegas let that game slip away

florida back in the comeback kids role

 

[shpongle falls]

Matt Tkaclutch with the game tying goal to send it in OT and they win, unreal. I love it. Go Florida!

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Matt Tkaclutch with the game tying goal to send it in OT and they win, unreal. I love it. Go Florida!

And he provided a moving screen on Verhaeghe’s OT winner.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

CBJ just got their long term #2RHD Serverson 8Y 6.25M

 

[PJJJP]

CBJ just got their long term #2RHD Serverson 8Y 6.25M

Yeah I dunno about that one Jarmo