Around The NHL #13

[cobra427]

This comes down the person himself. He has no morals. I thought much of the talk about him were just pissed off players, but this, like you said, is over the top.

Karma for Babs....

 

[PainForShane]

Because he’s such a good person, he’ll be a more effective coach, than good coaches that are not as good of people.

idk about you, but for me (and the teams I've been a part of), ppl play harder for coaches they trust. Coaches like Torts or Cassidy who seem like jerks, but also seem like honest jerks, are fine as long as the players trust them. I don't think Babcock falls into this category.

For me, the teams I've been on with manipulative coaches haven't done well -- but to be clear I was never part of a team w a manipulative coach who was actually good at manipulating. In other words the power hungry coaches I've played for were really bad at motivating ppl, consistently motivating players is hard to do whether or not you act like a psycho.

Either way we have Tourigny so we don't have to worry about things like this. He understands the Xs and Os and also seems like a good guy. Hopefully he sticks around until our roster starts getting good, looking fwd to seeing what he can do with a playoff-level roster

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

The number of people who still defend Babcock is insane. Truly does prove abusers protect other abusers

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

So Seattle gets a “gentleman’s agreement” that allows Shane Wright to play in the AHL this year if he doesn’t make Seattle’s roster.

Im sorry can someone explain to me why the f*** that is? Where was the “gentleman’s agreement” when Strome was clearly too good for the OHL and would’ve been perfect in the AHL for a year? Or Domi for that matter? This is like the second guy Seattle’s picked and they’re already getting preferential treatment. You know who could possibly benefit from AHL playing time this year? Conor Geekie, where’s his gentleman’s agreement?

It seems kinda bullshit to me

 

[hbk]

So Seattle gets a “gentleman’s agreement” that allows Shane Wright to play in the AHL this year if he doesn’t make Seattle’s roster.

Im sorry can someone explain to me why the f*** that is? Where was the “gentleman’s agreement” when Strome was clearly too good for the OHL and would’ve been perfect in the AHL for a year? Or Domi for that matter? This is like the second guy Seattle’s picked and they’re already getting preferential treatment. You know who could possibly benefit from AHL playing time this year? Conor Geekie, where’s his gentleman’s agreement?

It seems kinda bullshit to me

Wright was a double underager.

 

[rt]

So Seattle gets a “gentleman’s agreement” that allows Shane Wright to play in the AHL this year if he doesn’t make Seattle’s roster.

Im sorry can someone explain to me why the f*** that is? Where was the “gentleman’s agreement” when Strome was clearly too good for the OHL and would’ve been perfect in the AHL for a year? Or Domi for that matter? This is like the second guy Seattle’s picked and they’re already getting preferential treatment. You know who could possibly benefit from AHL playing time this year? Conor Geekie, where’s his gentleman’s agreement?

It seems kinda bullshit to me

I don’t think Strome would’ve been better off in the AHL and I definitely don’t believe Geekie would be.

 

[barriers]

It's because of the cancelled OHL season, which technically doesn't count as a year off Wright's 4 year commitment CHL contract but Wright's commitment would be complete now were it not canceled. Geekie played during 20/21 and still only has completed 3 seasons.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

All of those reasons make sense but I still feel like whining about it

 

[lanky]

All of those reasons make sense but I still feel like whining about it

That's what the Internet is for my man. Get it off your chest.

 

[Mosby]

Other players from the 2022 class have to be returned to the OHL. So too should Shane Wright.

 

[Jakey53]

The number of people who still defend Babcock is insane. Truly does prove abusers protect other abusers

 

[Jakey53]

In my opinion, as well as many others, do think what Babcock did was wrong, but many thought it was no big deal, including the Captain of the Jackets. We don't know how this all went down behind closed doors, but asking to invade someone's privacy putting a player under duress is enough for firing his ass. What pisses me off is that people are saying this is old time coaching, which to me is total BS. I haven't heard of any other coaches EVER doing this so to label this behavior as "old time coaching" is not fair to the other coaches out there. It all comes down to treating people with respect, and that has nothing to do with age.

 

[Foggy1097]

In my opinion, as well as many others, do think what Babcock did was wrong, but many thought it was no big deal, including the Captain of the Jackets. We don't know how this all went down behind closed doors, but asking to invade someone's privacy putting a player under duress is enough for firing his ass. What pisses me off is that people are saying this is old time coaching, which to me is total BS. I haven't heard of any other coaches EVER doing this so to label this behavior as "old time coaching" is not fair to the other coaches out there. It all comes down to treating people with respect, and that has nothing to do with age.

I don’t think Jenner was actually ok with it. He was probably asked to say something by management, or was worried about managements reaction. The interactions were also different with Jenner than they were with other players. Ryan Whitney said a younger player told him that he was invited over to Babcock’s house for lunch…when he arrived he was almost immediately asked to go through his pictures on his phone. This lasted several minutes apparently. Then when he was done he said, “Ok, you’re good to go.” No lunch. Nothing. The guy is a complete whack job.

 

[TheLegend]

Brad Marchand named the new captain of the Bruins.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Brad Marchand named the new captain of the Bruins.

man, i am so looking forward to them sliding down the atlantic division. but I thought that last year and was soooo wrong, until the playoffs started

 

[TheLegend]

 

[LAIslanderFan]

In my opinion, as well as many others, do think what Babcock did was wrong, but many thought it was no big deal, including the Captain of the Jackets. We don't know how this all went down behind closed doors, but asking to invade someone's privacy putting a player under duress is enough for firing his ass. What pisses me off is that people are saying this is old time coaching, which to me is total BS. I haven't heard of any other coaches EVER doing this so to label this behavior as "old time coaching" is not fair to the other coaches out there. It all comes down to treating people with respect, and that has nothing to do with age.

I really have no opinion on Babcock. I never really followed his career that closely, although I was definitely hoping for his failure in Toronto. From what I've read, he resigned because players were upset that he wanted to share family photos as a way of bonding the team. Maybe I'm missing something or it's my baby boomer mentality, but I don't understand what all the fuss is about. What am I overlooking?

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I really have no opinion on Babcock. I never really followed his career that closely, although I was definitely hoping for his failure in Toronto. From what I've read, he resigned because players were upset that he wanted to share family photos as a way of bonding the team. Maybe I'm missing something or it's my baby boomer mentality, but I don't understand what all the fuss is about. What am I overlooking?

The allegations are that the "bonding" explanation is a cover story for Babcock pressuring his players into showing him their phone photos to see what kind of people they are (i.e., a player with lots of party photos would allegedly not be trustworthy or hard-working or etc.). And if you think there's nothing wrong with that, imagine if your boss came into your office/cubicle/etc. and asked you on the spur of the moment to do the same thing.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

In my opinion, as well as many others, do think what Babcock did was wrong, but many thought it was no big deal, including the Captain of the Jackets. We don't know how this all went down behind closed doors, but asking to invade someone's privacy putting a player under duress is enough for firing his ass. What pisses me off is that people are saying this is old time coaching, which to me is total BS. I haven't heard of any other coaches EVER doing this so to label this behavior as "old time coaching" is not fair to the other coaches out there. It all comes down to treating people with respect, and that has nothing to do with age.

This incident is beyond old school, but Mike’s other antics have fit “old school” to a “T.”

 

[Coyotedroppings]

The allegations are that the "bonding" explanation is a cover story for Babcock pressuring his players into showing him their phone photos to see what kind of people they are (i.e., a player with lots of party photos would allegedly not be trustworthy or hard-working or etc.). And if you think there's nothing wrong with that, imagine if your boss came into your office/cubicle/etc. and asked you on the spur of the moment to do the same thing.

I completely agree, but to play devils advocate: if he’s not using pics to cast judgement (which I doubt) and honestly thinks it will help them all be more successful? After all anything known of a player can help with motivating same. Trouble is, there’s just no way to tell, but I sincerely doubt the intentions were good here. If the no lunch after lunch invite above )Foggy 1097) is true, it’s some crazy twisted intimidation happening there.

Edit: perhaps I should have gone with “God’s advocate” in this case.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I completely agree, but to play devils advocate: if he’s not using pics to cast judgement (which I doubt) and honestly thinks it will help them all be more successful? After all anything known of a player can help with motivating same. Trouble is, there’s just no way to tell, but I sincerely doubt the intentions were good here. If the no lunch after lunch invite above )Foggy 1097) is true, it’s some crazy twisted intimidation happening there.

From a high-level standpoint, I understand the best case scenario about it being a harmless way to do team building. But in execution, it's just creepy and an invasion of privacy. If the players had opted in - like, if the coaching staff presented it as a way for the guys to get to know each other, etc. - then that'd be one thing, but from all reports that's not how it went down.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

From a high-level standpoint, I understand the best case scenario about it being a harmless way to do team building. But in execution, it's just creepy and an invasion of privacy. If the players had opted in - like, if the coaching staff presented it as a way for the guys to get to know each other, etc. - then that'd be one thing, but from all reports that's not how it went down.

See my edit… you might appreciate.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

It's been no secret that players hate Babcock, but we're gonna get a lot more detail as to why, now. Sounds like a total dick.

Former Red Wings defenseman Jakub Kindl details more Mike Babcock mind games

 

[Jagged Ice]

It's been no secret that players hate Babcock, but we're gonna get a lot more detail as to why, now. Sounds like a total dick.

Former Red Wings defenseman Jakub Kindl details more Mike Babcock mind games

I wonder if anything leaks out of Saskatchewan. He coached the full 2021 season there. Those players aren't future NHLers and wouldn't have much to lose by sharing some juice. One would think a TMZ (hockey) version journalist like Katie Strang is digging into that. Then again, Babs maybe behaved differently there as he was coaching alongside his son, and it was just after one season of a two year contract when he announced his retirement from the University.

 

[rt]

I really have no opinion on Babcock. I never really followed his career that closely, although I was definitely hoping for his failure in Toronto. From what I've read, he resigned because players were upset that he wanted to share family photos as a way of bonding the team. Maybe I'm missing something or it's my baby boomer mentality, but I don't understand what all the fuss is about. What am I overlooking?

He chose a few people to do what you described. Others had a much different experience. Including prospects he allegedly invited over to his house for “lunch” (individually and alone) only for them to discover when they arrived that he would demand they hand over their phone, so he could go through their texts and photos, after which he would send them on their way without lunch or conversation, or any of the stated reasons for their coming to his home. Which is manipulative, predatory, an invasion of privacy, a hostile work environment and certainly firable.

Anyway that’s the story. Not sure if it’s true. Don’t really care. It was a dumb hire to begin with. Jarmo deserves to be fired for it. Still, I hope Columbus used this as a rallying event and has a surprise season where they sneak into a wild card.