Around the NHL 11 - 2023/24

[Gabe Kupari]

Have a good summer. Some of you talk about the same things every day. Honestly I can understand why less people post on here now. It's so repetitive

 

[Gil Fisher]

Swayman, Frederic, Zacha, 2025 1st, Lysell. That's really all they have that might be of interest to the Jets, I suppose.

Zacha has a no-trade and I see nothing interesting about Frederic.

I'd do Swayman, Lysell and that 2025 1st though.

Boston's only option is to go for it for a couple more years (until they have draft picks again), then trade Pasternak and McAvoy and do a full rebuild.

Does Swayman make sense in a Scheifele trade, if Hellebuyck stays for another year? I can't quite decide.

no. he doesn't.

are you thinking we're going to walk Hellebuyck to free agency?

 

[Daximus]

We will need a replacement for Helle who’s stated he won’t re-sign and Scheifele doesn’t play goal. He’s an asset who might return a good goalie among other things so I don’t think it’s an insane idea if Helle can return a Scheifele replacement.

Yeah it's just the nature of how it might line up. The teams interested in Helle have interesting young pieces that could slot in at C for us and Scheif's biggest suitors are teams that tend to not have to many young pieces so we are looking what else they could bring. Boston would likely have heavy interest in Scheif and their only real interesting piece is Swayman.

 

[Daximus]

Have a good summer. Some of you talk about the same things every day. Honestly I can understand why less people post on here now. It's so repetitive

This is what we do. Discuss ways that we think can improve the team only for the management gorup to do something completely different. Been that way since the dawn of the forum.

 

[10Ducky10]

I think Chevy starts with Scheif and Helle. If we are doing well, he tries to re-sign them. If we aren't, he deals them.

 

[Daximus]

I think Chevy starts with Scheif and Helle. If we are doing well, he tries to re-sign them. If we aren't, he deals them.

I think we can do that with Scheif, he will have a tonne of interest at the deadline. Doing that with Helle is a major gamble.

Generally goalies aren't traded at the deadline and if they are it's more for backup duty. Playoff teams tend to stick with whats working in goal, after all they are playoffs teams so they are at least doing something right there.

We need to either get Helle signed or move him this summer I think.

 

[Gil Fisher]

I think we can do that with Scheif, he will have a tonne of interest at the deadline. Doing that with Helle is a major gamble.

Generally goalies aren't traded at the deadline and if they are it's more for backup duty. Playoff teams tend to stick with whats working in goal, after all they are playoffs teams so they are at least doing something right there.

We need to either get Helle signed or move him this summer I think.

truer words have never been spoken

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah it's just the nature of how it might line up. The teams interested in Helle have interesting young pieces that could slot in at C for us and Scheif's biggest suitors are teams that tend to not have to many young pieces so we are looking what else they could bring. Boston would likely have heavy interest in Scheif and their only real interesting piece is Swayman.

What about Poitras? He just signed is ELC in May 2023 after a strong junior season. I know he was drafted as a center in the 2nd round, but I'm not sure if he projects to be in the NHL.

 

[ps241]

I really wonder if there's a market for Hellebuyck at this point. I think a few teams (like LAK, NJD and BUF) are going to try to run their current tandems, and see how it works out. If there is a key injury, or their goaltending is struggling, Hellebuyck becomes a much more valued commodity.

I think it's more likely that the Jets could find a trade partner for Scheifele this summer, but I wonder if the Jets would want to do that if they don't have any other good options at C. The Jets can afford Scheifele, even with a bit of an overpay over the next several seasons, but it depends on whether he would want to re-sign and whether the Jets want him back. But any future Jets F configuration looks a lot better with Scheifele than without, at this point. Put him with wingers that are strong defensively (like Niederreiter, Iafallo, Vilardi) and I think Scheifele will be fine on the ice, and gives the Jets top-end finishing talent that would otherwise be lacking.

Would you be comfortable with either of them as own rentals or would you want them moved at the deadline if they both planned to go to market next summer?

(That is if the price isn't right to trade them this offseason)

 

[raideralex99]

This article was on NHL.com about Chevy and the Jets on Hellebuyck & Schiefele.
"I don't think the door is closed for an extension, I still think there is an opportunity for an extension on both," Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff said. "When I met with his (Schiefele) representatives at the (NHL Draft) combine, he was open to anything. That was his mantra from the beginning."
So those saying Schiefele wants out ... try getting your facts right before posting.

 

[KingBogo]

This article was on NHL.com about Chevy and the Jets on Hellebuyck & Schiefele.
"I don't think the door is closed for an extension, I still think there is an opportunity for an extension on both," Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff said. "When I met with his (Schiefele) representatives at the (NHL Draft) combine, he was open to anything. That was his mantra from the beginning."
So those saying Schiefele wants out ... try getting your facts right before posting.

I'd like to see Scheifele re-sign, but I'm not sure you can take what any GM says at this time of the off season as gospel. Chevy isn't looking at weakening his bargaining position by publicly saying a player wants out.

 

[SUX2BU]

We've been informed that the Domi signing is a no-brianer.

I thought his name was Max ..................

 

[Maukkis]

no. he doesn't.

are you thinking we're going to walk Hellebuyck to free agency?

Increasingly, yes. I don't think it's the correct call (that much should be obvious), but a team desperate to not bottom out will see that as an attractive option.

Keeping Hellebuyck around, Chevy can always sell that decision as a valiant effort to get him locked up long-term, even if it fails. On the other hand, he cannot polish the turd that our goalie carousel would be without 37. I think the optics matter a lot here.

 

[ps241]

I'd like to see Scheifele re-sign, but I'm not sure you can take what any GM says at this time of the off season as gospel. Chevy isn't looking at weakening his bargaining position by publicly saying a player wants out.

Mark is being shopped but thankfully he and his agent have not been as public with their intensions. I am sure the other GM's are aware of Mark's wishes but the messaging has been more confined to an acceptable circle (insiders who have lots of sources).

We'll see how it ends up.

 

[10Ducky10]

Zadina clears waivers...

 

[WpgSteve]

We will need a replacement for Helle who’s stated he won’t re-sign and Scheifele doesn’t play goal. He’s an asset who might return a good goalie among other things so I don’t think it’s an insane idea if Helle can return a Scheifele replacement.

I'm against trading significant assets for a goalie. Just get another cheap one. We already have Broissoit and the other guy to help out.

 

[10Ducky10]

Hamonic signs a 2 year deal in Ottawa...

 

[jungles]

This article was on NHL.com about Chevy and the Jets on Hellebuyck & Schiefele.
"I don't think the door is closed for an extension, I still think there is an opportunity for an extension on both," Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff said. "When I met with his (Schiefele) representatives at the (NHL Draft) combine, he was open to anything. That was his mantra from the beginning."
So those saying Schiefele wants out ... try getting your facts right before posting.

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[Whileee]

Would you be comfortable with either of them as own rentals or would you want them moved at the deadline if they both planned to go to market next summer?

(That is if the price isn't right to trade them this offseason)

I don't think that the team is good enough for an "own rental" approach with such high-end players. If they don't re-sign, I'd like to see trades in season, perhaps for a mix of players and futures. I think that's how the Jets would approach it unless it turned out that they were a juggernaut. In that case, they might be in a better position to re-sign them, anyway.

 

[Guffman]

Generally goalies aren't traded at the deadline and if they are it's more for backup duty. Playoff teams tend to stick with whats working in goal, after all they are playoffs teams so they are at least doing something right there.

LA traded for a goalie to be their playoff starter.

Anyways, the way I see it is if Hellebuyck continues his high-level play, there will absolutely be a TDL market for him. Jets retain 50% and some team will easily be able to fit him in.

Some of these contenders are good enough to qualify for the playoffs with their existing goalie slop but after assessing where the team is and where their goaltending is, they could decide to “go for it” and upgrade to Helle as their stretch drive/playoff goalie.

When you talk about what “generally” happens, it’s quite rare for a goalie of Helle’s stature to become available.

Now, that all said, I still think Helle to Buffalo this offseason is something to watch. Buffalo can’t waste yet another year, can they?

 

[Daximus]

LA traded for a goalie to be their playoff starter.

Anyways, the way I see it is if Hellebuyck continues his high-level play, there will absolutely be a TDL market for him. Jets retain 50% and some team will easily be able to fit him in.

Some of these contenders are good enough to qualify for the playoffs with their existing goalie slop but after assessing where the team is and where their goaltending is, they could decide to “go for it” and upgrade to Helle as their stretch drive/playoff goalie.

When you talk about what “generally” happens, it’s quite rare for a goalie of Helle’s stature to become available.

Now, that all said, I still think Helle to Buffalo this offseason is something to watch. Buffalo can’t waste yet another year, can they?

Yeah thats why I say its a massive gamble to wait that long. We are banking on a team being in a playoff position despite their goaltending situation being bad and willing to give up good assets to get a deal done. There could just as easily be no takers and then we lose him for nothing. We should be proactive in this situation and either sign him or trade him this summer.

 

[Cnile]

Mark is being shopped but thankfully he and his agent have not been as public with their intensions. I am sure the other GM's are aware of Mark's wishes but the messaging has been more confined to an acceptable circle (insiders who have lots of sources).

We'll see how it ends up.

He’s open to anything is not a ringing endorsement he wants to be here.

 

[KingBogo]

He’s open to anything is not a ringing endorsement he wants to be here.

I’m open to anything is about as noncommittal non answer as you can give.

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah thats why I say its a massive gamble to wait that long. We are banking on a team being in a playoff position despite their goaltending situation being bad and willing to give up good assets to get a deal done. There could just as easily be no takers and then we lose him for nothing. We should be proactive in this situation and either sign him or trade him this summer.

Agreed I hate the idea of going into the season with Scheifele and Helly on the roster and unsigned. Chevy needs to pick his direction and make his moves. I’d love to keep both and eat the back end of their contracts. I could also embrace a change over with a couple nice pieces in return. What doesn’t sit well is a gong show season waiting for another shoe to drop.

 

[Huffer]

Swayman for Scheifele + ??

Assuming Helle is to be moved, and maybe Helle could be moved for a package involving a centre. Just spit-balling there'd have to be more to make it worthwhile for us.

Swayman is younger, but I don't see his value being higher than a 6 time point per game or better centre who just potted 42 goals.