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Lots of people don't like to hear this, but I know two people who were in those board rooms high above Portage and Main in the Richardson building as the NHL was here trying to find a solution. Bettman considered, explored and tried every avenue to keep the Jets in Winnipeg. At the end of the day, with nobody willing to purchase the team and commit to the city, the only solution was to let them leave.

I hope this is not considered "speculation". I will not post the names of the people that I know who were there in this forum, but would give that info to a moderator if they asked me and could verify the names and do with this posting of mine as they so choose.
Also, there were two different franchises who went out of their way to help the Jets. Sent years of all private financial details from their clubs regarding revenue streams, expenses, marketing, salaries, etc, etc to help the Jets to see if they were missing out on something or had really bad structure that could be changed to assist. The league tried to fix what was broken. The arena owned by WEC was the major problem. I have seen these binders. There were about 12 different site and size proposals reviewed for a new facility as well to get the ownership of the building into club hands.

Again, the all mighty dollar came into play.

Not sure if I'm allowed to disclose the two current franchises who reached out to help, so will keep that to myself as well at this time.
 
Also, there were two different franchises who went out of their way to help the Jets. Sent years of all private financial details from their clubs regarding revenue streams, expenses, marketing, salaries, etc, etc to help the Jets to see if they were missing out on something or had really bad structure that could be changed to assist. The league tried to fix what was broken. The arena owned by WEC was the major problem. I have seen these binders. There were about 12 different site and size proposals reviewed for a new facility as well to get the ownership of the building into club hands.

Again, the all mighty dollar came into play.

Not sure if I'm allowed to disclose the two current franchises who reached out to help, so will keep that to myself as well at this time.
Edmonton and Calgary would seem the most likely to me.
 
Also, there were two different franchises who went out of their way to help the Jets. Sent years of all private financial details from their clubs regarding revenue streams, expenses, marketing, salaries, etc, etc to help the Jets to see if they were missing out on something or had really bad structure that could be changed to assist. The league tried to fix what was broken. The arena owned by WEC was the major problem. I have seen these binders. There were about 12 different site and size proposals reviewed for a new facility as well to get the ownership of the building into club hands.

Again, the all mighty dollar came into play.

Not sure if I'm allowed to disclose the two current franchises who reached out to help, so will keep that to myself as well at this time.
Didn't the NHL forbid a large consortium of owners buying the team? I thought that was a sticking point. Chipman could line up enough people but the NHL wanted more of a deep-pocketed solution instead of a pile of Winnipeg medium-sized business owners.

Of course, the league let Edmonton save their team with a consortium a few years later...and was Calgary a big group for a while as well?
 
The real culprit in the Jets saga was a lack of cost certainty. Without a cap we may not have been able to break even with a new barn along with other issues piled on top we were screwed.

The saddest day of 1.0 to me was the night the owners caved to the PA on a cap. It was a dagger and I knew we were done long term.
 
Edmonton and Calgary would seem the most likely to me.
One of those is accurate. The other was on the East Coast of the USA.

I don't think I am saying anything wrong from what I have personally viewed from 30 years ago. Mods can delete and let me know I can't talk about this, and I will accept what they decide....

Calgary Flames
Philadelphia Flyers
 
The Arizona Coyotes have not made 1 dime in all the time they have been in the desert, they get peanuts from local tv and radio broadcast and now they play in a arena that in the coming season they wont fill. They can say it's a big market that the NHL needs but nobody is watching or listening and their building only sells out when the opposition fans fill it.
 
The Arizona Coyotes have not made 1 dime in all the time they have been in the desert, they get peanuts from local tv and radio broadcast and now they play in a arena that in the coming season they wont fill. They can say it's a big market that the NHL needs but nobody is watching or listening and their building only sells out when the opposition fans fill it.

Maybe that should be their sales tactic: advertising seats to the fans of all the other 31 teams :sarcasm:
 
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Maybe that should be their sales tactic: advertising seats to the fans of all the other 31 teams :sarcasm:
I'm sure it is. You get as many snowbirds showing up to watch their team as you can market to, and you have hockey fans organize winter getaways around watching their team play in the desert. Problem is the Yotes aren't as good at this due to arena issues. The Florida and LA road trips work much better for this.
 
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I think there needs to be a balance between this viewpoint and the fact that nobody involved was charged or convicted with any crime

"Innocent until proven guilty" is one of the bedrocks of our society for good reason. That said, cases like this are notoriously hard to investigate and prosecute

For the record, I say this as a father of both a young adult son and teenage daughters. I try to put myself in the position of the father of both the victim and the alleged perpetrators. In both cases, I'd want due process to be carried out
Yeah, I'm not commenting one way or another but it's hardly fair that a moderator can go on a diatribe about something and post their opinions and at the same time say we're not talking about it and posts will be deleted.

That's kind of like China, Russia or North Korea, no?
 
Yeah, I'm not commenting one way or another but it's hardly fair that a moderator can go on a diatribe about something and post their opinions and at the same time say we're not talking about it and posts will be deleted.

That's kind of like China, Russia or North Korea, no?

The posts that were deleted were nonsense about Epstein and how she actually consented and then went through all this because she regretted it later. Obviously dissenting opinion is allowed, you'll note ERYX's post about the legalities is still up for example.

Making comparisons to China, Russia or North Korea is entirely unhelpful as well, considering this is an international hockey discussion board with volunteer moderators.
 
The posts that were deleted were nonsense about Epstein and how she actually consented and then went through all this because she regretted it later. Obviously dissenting opinion is allowed, you'll note ERYX's post about the legalities is still up for example.

Making comparisons to China, Russia or North Korea is entirely unhelpful as well, considering this is an international hockey discussion board with volunteer moderators.
I understand that. I was a mod here for years. However when you present your opinions and then say others can't it doesn't really seem fair, does it?

Again I'm not on any side of this debate as I am not informed enough to have an opinion.
 
I understand that. I was a mod here for years. However when you present your opinions and then say others can't it doesn't really seem fair, does it?

Again I'm not on any side of this debate as I am not informed enough to have an opinion.

I think it depends on the opinion, but we're getting off track here. Suffice to say we still don't know the players involved (though I think we can make an educated guess on a couple), and we may never know the whole story. We're just trying to steer clear of discussion about "she deserved it" or "she's just trying to ruin these wholesome young men's lives!" stuff because I think we're passed that as a society at this point.
 
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I think it depends on the opinion, but we're getting off track here. Suffice to say we still don't know the players involved (though I think we can make an educated guess on a couple), and we may never know the whole story. We're just trying to steer clear of discussion about "she deserved it" or "she's just trying to ruin these wholesome young men's lives!" stuff because I think we're passed that as a society at this point.

I am interested in this topic from a legal perspective. When “civil” settlements are reached that do not carry an admission of guilt (presumably) what are the legalities of the apparent ongoing actions here? From a legal standpoint what is happening now and why? What are the rights of both parties post settlement? Obviously this didn’t go away after the settlement so with the increased public pressure what role did and does Hockey Canada play and why, the London Police, the NHL? If the boys are outed is that legal (yes or no)? Will they have a law suit if their potential employment is impacted? How would they prove damages (if they hadn’t made an NHL team yet) since making an NHL team is far from a sure thing? What is the threshold the NHL needs legally to suspend players? I assume that is in place but I don’t know the process.

@RustyCat and @ERYX have both worked in this space so reading their posts on the topic is enlightening to me. I understand most people have a strong opinion on this topic and this does need to be moderated to avoid the death spiral but beyond the emotions of topic there is a an interesting process playing out here.

In the past 5 years I have been a non legal (free of charge) advisor to a few owners of businesses that were working through employee accusation of managment misconduct in their companies (none that were close to legal or civil charges). I advised on the process I have used of hiring arms length, 3rd party resources to preform safe, trusted, credible, and anonymous (if desired) in depth investigations into accusations. If owners wished I would also sit in on their meetings with the hired resource post report and help with course of action.
 
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I am interested in this topic from a legal perspective. When “civil” settlements are reached that do not carry an admission of guilt (presumably) what are the legalities of the apparent ongoing actions here? From a legal standpoint what is happening now and why? What are the rights of both parties post settlement? Obviously this didn’t go away after the settlement so with the increased public pressure what role did and does Hockey Canada play and why, the London Police, the NHL? If the boys are outed is that legal (yes or no)? Will they have a law suit if their potential employment is impacted? How would they prove damages (if they hadn’t made an NHL team yet) since making an NHL team is far from a sure thing? What is the threshold the NHL needs legally to suspend players? I assume that is in place but I don’t know the process.

@RustyCat and @ERYX have both worked in this space so reading their posts on the topic is enlightening to me. I understand most people have a strong opinion on this topic and this does need to be moderated to avoid the death spiral but beyond the emotions of topic there is a an interesting process playing out here.

In the past 5 years I have been a non legal (free of charge) advisor to a few owners of businesses that were working through employee accusation of managment misconduct in their companies (none that were close to legal or civil charges). I advised on the process I have used of hiring arms length, 3rd party resources to preform safe, trusted, credible, and anonymous (if desired) in depth investigations into accusations. If owners wished I would also sit in on their meetings with the hired resource post report and help with course of action.

Discussing it from a legal perspective is just fine, we were trying to avoid the victim blaming that was beginning to get into the discussion.
 
I understand that. I was a mod here for years. However when you present your opinions and then say others can't it doesn't really seem fair, does it?

Again I'm not on any side of this debate as I am not informed enough to have an opinion.
This is the internet... you don't have to know anything to have an opinion!
 
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