Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[dumbdick]

Brandon Bussi (G) waived by Boston. Go get 'em Staios. He looks like another Beaut. .918 sv% in 78 career AHL games.

 

[NyQuil]

Goals aren't everything though, Mittelstadt might not score as much as Pinto's one career high season but he's better than Pinto in every other category. Dude's a solid second line centre that can playmake and is good in his own end. These types of guys aren't rare, but they aren't the most common.

He’s in the bottom third of top nine centres in the league when it comes to scoring goals.

Playmaking is great but he’s not a threat to put the puck in the net.

As I said - it’s more about what they ended up with given the 4th overall pick that they started with.

Buffalo clearly saw him as expendable with their depth up front.

We can quibble about top six or middle six but in the grand scheme of things we are both saying he isn’t good enough to be a #1 and probably too good to be a #3 unless you are one of those teams that boasts two #1 calibre centres.

Do I think Norris and/or Pinto can eclipse his production? Certainly. I think they are all in the same tier.

 

[bicboi64]

As I said - it’s more about what they ended up with given the 4th overall pick that they started with.

Buffalo clearly saw him as expendable with their depth up front.

To be fair, Buffalo has two studs in the middle in Cozens and Thompson.

Byram had too many injury troubles and the Avs are in win now mode. They got a cup with their 4th overall pick in the line up (however little he'd be there), and were able to convert the 4th overall pick into a solid 2C.

 

[BondraTime]

Avs are very happy with both Byram and Middstdt I'd assume.

Byram was their #3 D in a cup win

Middlestadt is the #2C, and on the #1 PP, on a cup contending team.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Shane Bowers is available after being waived by NJD.

We can finally undo Dorion’s wrong and bring him back where he belongs.

Its funny how both Bowers and Byram are gone from Colorado after what a big deal they made about the trade return.

It was a massive return. They were right to be excited about it.

Even if you just look at the value on the day of the trade and ignore the pick becoming 4th overall. They basically got three first round-tier assets (1st+Bowers+Girard) along with a 2nd+3rd+Kamenov. They were apparently offered their choice of White or Bowers, but Colorado was very high on Bowers.

There aren't many trades in the last decade that come close to that kind of haul. Maybe the Eichel trade, considering how valuable Tuch was, it was basically 3 first round picks.

 

[Senscore]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843328069618331992

Seravalli needs to check himself

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It was a massive return. They were right to be excited about it.

Even if you just look at the value on the day of the trade and ignore the pick becoming 4th overall. They basically got three first round-tier assets (1st+Bowers+Girard) along with a 2nd+3rd+Kamenov. They were apparently offered their choice of White or Bowers, but Colorado was very high on Bowers.

There aren't many trades in the last decade that come close to that kind of haul. Maybe the Eichel trade, considering how valuable Tuch was, it was basically 3 first round picks.

Ya, it weeded out as time went along, as they always do, but the value on day 1 was astronomical, especially for a player publicly asking out and having little contract runway left.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843328069618331992

Seravalli needs to check himself

It was an ignorant thing to say, even if he thought it was cute or he meant well by the idea that Johnny Gaudreau in heaven would influence golf balls.

With that said, I'm not down with the culture of public shaming that is so prevalent on Reddit and the internet in general. I think there is almost a celebration of these kind of situations, because people get off on the group mentality of hundreds or thousands of people pointing and shaming.

Ironically, if people are offended by it, they've now blown it up into 100x more visible and bigger of a thing and amplified the possibility for the comment to upset people who actually knew Gaudreau.

 

[NyQuil]

It was a massive return. They were right to be excited about it.

Even if you just look at the value on the day of the trade and ignore the pick becoming 4th overall. They basically got three first round-tier assets (1st+Bowers+Girard) along with a 2nd+3rd+Kamenov. They were apparently offered their choice of White or Bowers, but Colorado was very high on Bowers.

There aren't many trades in the last decade that come close to that kind of haul. Maybe the Eichel trade, considering how valuable Tuch was, it was basically 3 first round picks.

Girard ended up being the best asset of the deal and he didn’t even come from Ottawa.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Girard ended up being the best asset of the deal and he didn’t even come from Ottawa.

Yeah, but I think it's fair to consider it as the return we gave them since they used Turris from us to get those pieces.

Girard was probably viewed like a 1st round pick at the time. He was taken in the mid 2nd round a year earlier and had made a lot of progress during his +1 year, to the point that he was considered NHL ready.

We almost got saved because apparently Nashville was unhappy with Colorado's demands and everything fell apart by a deadline that was imposed for the trade. If I recall, Dorion said the A-GMs worked hard to get it back on track. It's a real shame, because maybe if we had a week or two delay before teams circling back, we go on a similar losing skid and do not make that trade.

Despite the narrative that the rebuild was decided on after the skid, I believe that we were always looking at a rebuild. The losing skid expedited it by 1 or 2 seasons. Dorion had access to Capfriendly, so he must have known that with Melnyk's budget and limitation on things like signing bonuses and NMCs, that keeping the core we developed was not possible.

I think that is part of why he was so aggressive in acquiring what he perceived to be the upgrades the team needed to win. I also think it's part of why he so easily moved on from Zibanejad for a much older player. Because he perceived Brassard to be an upgrade in the short-term, and he knew that after Zibanejad's 3 years of team control were up, he would be gone anyways. So his potential would be irrelevant. At least, I hope that was his justification...

Unfortunately, all his big additions underwhelmed (Burrows, Brassard, Duchene), and the team was already not anywhere near being a contender, despite the run they made off the backs of Karlsson's play and the team buying into Boucher's ridiculous system.

 

[BondraTime]

Girard ended up being the best asset of the deal and he didn’t even come from Ottawa.

Byram was undoubtedly the best asset. He was their #3 in a cup win that Girard never played in, and is now Middstadt who is much more valuable than Girard.

 

[JD1]

Mid level 2nd pair?

I don't know know about that. He has had to carry the D for years without proper insulation.

If his wrist has been bothering him for a couple years, that would certainly limit his ability as well.

He is a very good player, with one of his solid attributes being a transition guy. I hope we see him flash more of his offensive abilities now that we have more even groups.

Seeing him shoot more than usual in camp is also positive. I think you have undervalued him.

His wrist would certainly impact his ability to shoot. I've had wrist surgery myself and can speak to limitations when shooting that stem from wrist.

You know what that wrist doesn't impact? Defensive reads. He's not a good defender and a lot of the reason for that is his reading of plays.

 

[Loach]

His wrist would certainly impact his ability to shoot. I've had wrist surgery myself and can speak to limitations when shooting that stem from wrist.

You know what that wrist doesn't impact? Defensive reads. He's not a good defender and a lot of the reason for that is his reading of plays.

He watches the puck or chases it, doesn't see what his team mates are doing or the opposition. Soft on the boards, light stick, poor positioning and gets pushed out of the way. Somebody here said he is hard to play with..makes perfect sense. You can't really count on him to do his job in the defensive zone.

 

[OD99]

Ottawa could have punted the pick to next year.

There were a lot of immediate comparisons following Colorado’s selection.

I like Byram and there’s still a lot of untapped potential but Tkachuk is a star player at this point.

OK, that's true, but without knowing where we would finish, and who would be available we can't actually compare the 2.

What if we had chosen Zadina or Kotki?

Falling to 4th overall wasn't something that should have happened either.

 

[GCK]

As bad as we view Chabot defensively he was -3 in 51 games while Chychrun was -30 in 82 games.

 

[LiseL]

Its kind of funny, all broadcast last night noodles is talking about how Forsberg can push Ullmark, I feel like Noodles hasn't paid attention to Forsberg for over a year now...

Forsberg needs to learn from Ullmark, not push him. Forsberg seems to take awhile to settle into a game. By that time, at least 1 goal, usually a softie, has gone in.

 

[BondraTime]

Jett making the Flyers is a surprise to me.

He's the epitome of a Flyer player, but definitely don't think he's ready for the NHL yet, he's definitely going to be sent back to Guelph in the coming weeks.

 

[Senscore]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843661250749947981

Lol


Think we should lock down Ullmark asap

 

[bicboi64]

Damn Shesterkin out here looking for next level money.

I hope he gets it with the Arag because that contract will cripple their cap structure, even with Trouba coming off the books in a couple years

 

[Icelevel]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843661250749947981

Lol


Think we should lock down Ullmark asap

That’s got to be one of the best jobs on the planet if you can get it. It’s virtually no contact. Making 88million$$ in less than a decade?? For playing a game with no risk? (Unlike a forward or d who can suffer serious injury)

Total absolute insanity

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Wow. He wants his bag for sure. That'll wreak some havoc on their cap situation.

 

[Loach]

If he can play 65 games a year and put up a .915...then ok. Otherwise no. No goalies play that much anymore.

 

[Icelevel]

Korpi and kasty start now. Playing our first opponent, Florida.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Korpi and kasty start now. Playing our first opponent, Florida.

Lets go Florida. They'll be hungrier Thursday if they lose tonight lol.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Korpi and kasty start now. Playing our first opponent, Florida.

I am also hate watching