Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[dumbdick]

Brandon Bussi (G) waived by Boston. Go get 'em Staios. He looks like another Beaut. .918 sv% in 78 career AHL games.

 

[NyQuil]

Goals aren't everything though, Mittelstadt might not score as much as Pinto's one career high season but he's better than Pinto in every other category. Dude's a solid second line centre that can playmake and is good in his own end. These types of guys aren't rare, but they aren't the most common.

He’s in the bottom third of top nine centres in the league when it comes to scoring goals.

Playmaking is great but he’s not a threat to put the puck in the net.

As I said - it’s more about what they ended up with given the 4th overall pick that they started with.

Buffalo clearly saw him as expendable with their depth up front.

We can quibble about top six or middle six but in the grand scheme of things we are both saying he isn’t good enough to be a #1 and probably too good to be a #3 unless you are one of those teams that boasts two #1 calibre centres.

Do I think Norris and/or Pinto can eclipse his production? Certainly. I think they are all in the same tier.

 

[bicboi64]

As I said - it’s more about what they ended up with given the 4th overall pick that they started with.

Buffalo clearly saw him as expendable with their depth up front.

To be fair, Buffalo has two studs in the middle in Cozens and Thompson.

Byram had too many injury troubles and the Avs are in win now mode. They got a cup with their 4th overall pick in the line up (however little he'd be there), and were able to convert the 4th overall pick into a solid 2C.

 

[BondraTime]

Avs are very happy with both Byram and Middstdt I'd assume.

Byram was their #3 D in a cup win

Middlestadt is the #2C, and on the #1 PP, on a cup contending team.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Shane Bowers is available after being waived by NJD.

We can finally undo Dorion’s wrong and bring him back where he belongs.

Its funny how both Bowers and Byram are gone from Colorado after what a big deal they made about the trade return.

It was a massive return. They were right to be excited about it.

Even if you just look at the value on the day of the trade and ignore the pick becoming 4th overall. They basically got three first round-tier assets (1st+Bowers+Girard) along with a 2nd+3rd+Kamenov. They were apparently offered their choice of White or Bowers, but Colorado was very high on Bowers.

There aren't many trades in the last decade that come close to that kind of haul. Maybe the Eichel trade, considering how valuable Tuch was, it was basically 3 first round picks.

 

[Senscore]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843328069618331992

Seravalli needs to check himself

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It was a massive return. They were right to be excited about it.

Even if you just look at the value on the day of the trade and ignore the pick becoming 4th overall. They basically got three first round-tier assets (1st+Bowers+Girard) along with a 2nd+3rd+Kamenov. They were apparently offered their choice of White or Bowers, but Colorado was very high on Bowers.

There aren't many trades in the last decade that come close to that kind of haul. Maybe the Eichel trade, considering how valuable Tuch was, it was basically 3 first round picks.

Ya, it weeded out as time went along, as they always do, but the value on day 1 was astronomical, especially for a player publicly asking out and having little contract runway left.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843328069618331992

Seravalli needs to check himself

It was an ignorant thing to say, even if he thought it was cute or he meant well by the idea that Johnny Gaudreau in heaven would influence golf balls.

With that said, I'm not down with the culture of public shaming that is so prevalent on Reddit and the internet in general. I think there is almost a celebration of these kind of situations, because people get off on the group mentality of hundreds or thousands of people pointing and shaming.

Ironically, if people are offended by it, they've now blown it up into 100x more visible and bigger of a thing and amplified the possibility for the comment to upset people who actually knew Gaudreau.

 

[NyQuil]

It was a massive return. They were right to be excited about it.

Even if you just look at the value on the day of the trade and ignore the pick becoming 4th overall. They basically got three first round-tier assets (1st+Bowers+Girard) along with a 2nd+3rd+Kamenov. They were apparently offered their choice of White or Bowers, but Colorado was very high on Bowers.

There aren't many trades in the last decade that come close to that kind of haul. Maybe the Eichel trade, considering how valuable Tuch was, it was basically 3 first round picks.

Girard ended up being the best asset of the deal and he didn’t even come from Ottawa.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Girard ended up being the best asset of the deal and he didn’t even come from Ottawa.

Yeah, but I think it's fair to consider it as the return we gave them since they used Turris from us to get those pieces.

Girard was probably viewed like a 1st round pick at the time. He was taken in the mid 2nd round a year earlier and had made a lot of progress during his +1 year, to the point that he was considered NHL ready.

We almost got saved because apparently Nashville was unhappy with Colorado's demands and everything fell apart by a deadline that was imposed for the trade. If I recall, Dorion said the A-GMs worked hard to get it back on track. It's a real shame, because maybe if we had a week or two delay before teams circling back, we go on a similar losing skid and do not make that trade.

Despite the narrative that the rebuild was decided on after the skid, I believe that we were always looking at a rebuild. The losing skid expedited it by 1 or 2 seasons. Dorion had access to Capfriendly, so he must have known that with Melnyk's budget and limitation on things like signing bonuses and NMCs, that keeping the core we developed was not possible.

I think that is part of why he was so aggressive in acquiring what he perceived to be the upgrades the team needed to win. I also think it's part of why he so easily moved on from Zibanejad for a much older player. Because he perceived Brassard to be an upgrade in the short-term, and he knew that after Zibanejad's 3 years of team control were up, he would be gone anyways. So his potential would be irrelevant. At least, I hope that was his justification...

Unfortunately, all his big additions underwhelmed (Burrows, Brassard, Duchene), and the team was already not anywhere near being a contender, despite the run they made off the backs of Karlsson's play and the team buying into Boucher's ridiculous system.

 

[BondraTime]

Girard ended up being the best asset of the deal and he didn’t even come from Ottawa.

Byram was undoubtedly the best asset. He was their #3 in a cup win that Girard never played in, and is now Middstadt who is much more valuable than Girard.