Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[GCK]

f*** Matt cooke

Where did that come from ?

 

[SensontheRush]

Where did that come from ?

Is he wrong?

f*** Matt Cooke!!!

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Where did that come from ?

You heard me!

 

[Golden_Jet]

f*** Matt cooke

That’s random

 

[Xspyrit]

I seem to remember he played very well when he first got here. As you said, that could wear off. However, if he is playing his L side and gets a good partner, he could be much better than he was here, barring injury. It would be just our luck, wouldn't it? However, keeping him wasn't an option IMO as he's due for a contract next year and there's no way we can get rid of Chabot's contract to make the room. Chabot seems to be the albatross we have to endure.

Several teams would go after Chabot if he was available. The guy produces around 12 goals and 50 points per 82 games (65% of his production comes at ES too), can fill big minutes effortlessly and is elite in transition. Yes, he turns the puck over more than the average D-man but that's also because he's one of the biggest possession players in the league. There was this stat a few years ago where Chabot had the puck most out of any NHL player in a season. He has high expected goals for % because when he is on the ice, his team outchances the other team on a regular basis. I'd much rather that than a guy who "plays harder" but gets caved in.

Chabot is exactly the kind of guy teams look to add. For example, if a team was stupid enough and wanted to "get rid of" Chabot, the Oilers would offer Darnell Nurse with retention and tell you "you want to get tougher and create some cap space? A Nurse-Chabot swap would be perfect for you. We'll retain 3.0 AAV on Nurse's contract so you could save 1.75 AAV per season!"

Yeah, but Parros is in charge now, and he owns a clothing line called make hockey violent again.

Is it true though?



There's a Sens fan in that thread who says : "It's an ode to old school hockey that pokes fun at MAGA. Not a call for senseless aggressiveness lmfao."

Eww gross. As if the obvious association to T Rump doesn't turn me off enough already, but the slogan isn't winning me over either.

See above, many other comments go in that direction. I didn't even know about the existence of that clothing line until now but I'd say the MAGA affiliation is more for mocking.

 

[Xspyrit]

Joseph with a rocket last night:

Glad Joseph is in the west so at least it's not a team in our division enjoying him and the pick that came with it.

That Devils team is going to be scary good.

When they get Pesce and Hughes back, their D is absoutely stacked.

Dillion-Hamilton
Huges-Pesce
Siegenthaler-Nemec
Kovacevic

That's an absurdly good D core

So apparently you're allowed to add high end talent and continue stacking your prospect pool even if you already have some actual talent? Too bad our ex GM didn't get the memo!

Even when things are going well, you still have to manage every single asset carefully and look to improve your stock portfolio. Can't believe we had an amateur for 7 years to manage our portfolio...

Even within what seems to be the smallest moves. Kovacevic is a pretty smart pick up.

 

[GCK]

Several teams would go after Chabot if he was available. The guy produces around 12 goals and 50 points per 82 games (65% of his production comes at ES too), can fill big minutes effortlessly and is elite in transition. Yes, he turns the puck over more than the average D-man but that's also because he's one of the biggest possession players in the league. There was this stat a few years ago where Chabot had the puck most out of any NHL player in a season. He has high expected goals for % because when he is on the ice, his team outchances the other team on a regular basis. I'd much rather that than a guy who "plays harder" but gets caved in.

Chabot is exactly the kind of guy teams look to add. For example, if a team was stupid enough and wanted to "get rid of" Chabot, the Oilers would offer Darnell Nurse with retention and tell you "you want to get tougher and create some cap space? A Nurse-Chabot swap would be perfect for you. We'll retain 3.0 AAV on Nurse's contract so you could save 1.75 AAV per season!"



Is it true though?



There's a Sens fan in that thread who says : "It's an ode to old school hockey that pokes fun at MAGA. Not a call for senseless aggressiveness lmfao."



See above, many other comments go in that direction. I didn't even know about the existence of that clothing line until now but I'd say the MAGA affiliation is more for mocking.

I doubt there would be a market for Chabot without taking back worse money. Your example is silly as Nurse has the worst contract in hockey.

 

[Xspyrit]

I doubt there would be a market for Chabot without taking back worse money. Your example is silly as Nurse has the worst contract in hockey.

Yeah but did you read? Or understood? Doesn't seem like you did... again lol

 

[SensontheRush]

Buffalo started a second rebuild, their timeline was pushed back. They don't have ANY pieces from their first rebuild. Detroit just doesn't have the same assets we have at the pro level.

If one of these three teams is breaking through this year, it's the Sens.

Lessss go babyyyy!!!

 

[GCK]

So apparently you're allowed to add high end talent and continue stacking your prospect pool even if you already have some actual talent? Too bad our ex GM didn't get the

Dorion is gone. Let it go.

We added a blue chip prospect and a Vezina winner in the same off season.

Yeah but did you read? Or understood? Doesn't seem like you did... again lol

I did read, you said teams would like to add Chabot and then gave a silly example. There would be no real hockey trade to make with Chabot.

 

[Xspyrit]

Dorion is gone. Let it go.

lol there's nothing to let go, it's part of this team's history, like the 2003 run, the 2007 finals, the 2017 run, the circumstances of the previous rebuild, Havlat, Hossa, Chara, Karlsson, etc, etc, etc. We are FAR from having paid all the bills due to Dorion continuous mismanagement. That we talk about it or not, it will never go away. If you don't like certain subjects, then bury your head in the sand as much as you want, put me on ignore, do whatever I don't give a crap. I'll talk about what I want to talk.

We added a blue chip prospect and a Vezina winner in the same off season.

During the 7 drafts of the rebuild, we basically WASTED 4 of the top 7 picks...

2018 : Tkachuk
2019 : Thomson (via Duchene fiasco, we lost a 4th OA pick)
2020 : Sanderson
2021 : Boucher
2022 : DeBrincat fiasco (ok we have Ullmark but as of now, he's UFA after the season)
2023 : Chychrun fiasco
2024 : Yakemchuk

We're extremely lucky to have a chance at a future after scrapping more than 50% of our top-10 picks. Karlsson's return helped a lot in that regard

You can't "let go" something that is actually happening. This is not past rebuild stuff, this is the actual rebuild.

I did read, you said teams would like to add Chabot and then gave a silly example. There would be no real hockey trade to make with Chabot.

Frankly, I am so tired to waste my time on silly (since it's a word you seem to know) discussions like this. So I'll respond just once then just ignore as it is quite stupid.

There's nothing silly about this example except what you are projecting. 2 teams are swapping contracts that are considered albatross (well Chabot's was, according to the poster). The point is showing that a team would gladly swap their bad contract for Chabot's since they'd find it much more valuable than the supposed "albatross" that it was in that discussion. Traduction for you: "I disagree that Chabot's contract is an albatross" lol

 

[GCK]

lol there's nothing to let go, it's part of this team's history, like the 2003 run, the 2007 finals, the 2017 run, the circumstances of the previous rebuild, Havlat, Hossa, Chara, Karlsson, etc, etc, etc. We are FAR from having paid all the bills due to Dorion continuous mismanagement. That we talk about it or not, it will never go away. If you don't like certain subjects, then bury your head in the sand as much as you want, put me on ignore, do whatever I don't give a crap. I'll talk about what I want to talk.



During the 7 drafts of the rebuild, we basically WASTED 4 of the top 7 picks...

2018 : Tkachuk
2019 : Thomson (via Duchene fiasco, we lost a 4th OA pick)
2020 : Sanderson
2021 : Boucher
2022 : DeBrincat fiasco (ok we have Ullmark but as of now, he's UFA after the season)
2023 : Chychrun fiasco
2024 : Yakemchuk

We're extremely lucky to have a chance at a future after scrapping more than 50% of our top-10 picks. Karlsson's return helped a lot in that regard

You can't "let go" something that is actually happening. This is not past rebuild stuff, this is the actual rebuild.



Frankly, I am so tired to waste my time on silly (since it's a word you seem to know) discussions like this. So I'll respond just once then just ignore as it is quite stupid.

There's nothing silly about this example except what you are projecting. 2 teams are swapping contracts that are considered albatross (well Chabot's was, according to the poster). The point is showing that a team would gladly swap their bad contract for Chabot's since they'd find it much more valuable than the supposed "albatross" that it was in that discussion. Traduction for you: "I disagree that Chabot's contract is an albatross" lol

Para 1 and 2 are exactly what I mean by let it go. Focusing on the past mistakes after changes are made is a loser mentality. Dorion was awful, he and Melnyk sucked but that’s history. Can we not just focus on Staios, Green and Andlauer and critique their performance.

Para 3 is simply, there is no market for Chabot without exchanging problem for problem. Chabot is not a positive asset we could move for another positive asset.

 

[Blotto71]

Labanc to CLB for $775K is a low-key nice addition.

 

[GCK]

Crazy that Buffalo losing just 2 games means they need to go 47-34 to get to 94 points. Cant start slow

 

[Ouroboros]

Crazy that Buffalo losing just 2 games means they need to go 47-34 to get to 94 points. Cant start slow

They've already lost Peterka and Benson to injury as well.

 

[GCK]

They've already lost Peterka and Benson to injury as well.

As much as it’s sucked being a Sens fan, can you imagine being a Sabres fan, more losing and more Leaf fans. #Sympathy

 

[Xspyrit]

Para 1 and 2 are exactly what I mean by let it go. Focusing on the past mistakes after changes are made is a loser mentality. Dorion was awful, he and Melnyk sucked but that’s history. Can we not just focus on Staios, Green and Andlauer and critique their performance.

lol give me a break with your weak ass sauce lecturing through the stupid internet. I personally love to analyze and review all kind of stuff. I talk about a lot of things but I'll "revise history" as MUCH as I want to. Deal with it or put me on ignore. Not that complicated...

That said, saying stuff like "it's history" when it's not even been one year and when we are still in the SAME rebuild is beyond stupid. Even worse, we haven't forfeited the first round pick yet. Dorion is going to be referenced for years and years to come. He will become a Milbury meme around the league when people will realize how bad he was at his job.

Regarding Staios, Green and Andlauer, it's a bit early to have any kind of valuable assessment. And Dorion's putrid work will give them a bit of a break for a while as we know several of his past mistakes will be felt for a while. Except you it seems.

Para 3 is simply, there is no market for Chabot without exchanging problem for problem. Chabot is not a positive asset we could move for another positive asset.

lol, first this YOUR opinion. And seriously, looking at this exchange discourages me, I don't even even know where to begin to explain. I'll give just one example as I am bit tired to waste my time with this kind of stupid discussion. You say "without exchanging problem for problem" and my example is a swap with Nurse's contract... Tell me you're lost without telling me you're lost lol

 

[GCK]

lol give me a break with your weak ass sauce lecturing through the stupid internet. I personally love to analyze and review all kind of stuff. I talk about a lot of things but I'll "revise history" as MUCH as I want to. Deal with it or put me on ignore. Not that complicated...

That said, saying stuff like "it's history" when it's not even been one year and when we are still in the SAME rebuild is beyond stupid. Even worse, we haven't forfeited the first round pick yet. Dorion is going to be referenced for years and years to come. He will become a Milbury meme around the league when people will realize how bad he was at his job.

Regarding Staios, Green and Andlauer, it's a bit early to have any kind of valuable assessment. And Dorion's putrid work will give them a bit of a break for a while as we know several of his past mistakes will be felt for a while. Except you it seems.



lol, first this YOUR opinion. And seriously, looking at this exchange discourages me, I don't even even know where to begin to explain. I'll give just one example as I am bit tired to waste my time with this kind of stupid discussion. You say "without exchanging problem for problem" and my example is a swap with Nurse's contract... Tell me you're lost without telling me you're lost lol

lol. You have Dorion in your head. Stop living in the past.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Several teams would go after Chabot if he was available. The guy produces around 12 goals and 50 points per 82 games (65% of his production comes at ES too), can fill big minutes effortlessly and is elite in transition. Yes, he turns the puck over more than the average D-man but that's also because he's one of the biggest possession players in the league. There was this stat a few years ago where Chabot had the puck most out of any NHL player in a season. He has high expected goals for % because when he is on the ice, his team outchances the other team on a regular basis. I'd much rather that than a guy who "plays harder" but gets caved in.

Chabot is exactly the kind of guy teams look to add. For example, if a team was stupid enough and wanted to "get rid of" Chabot, the Oilers would offer Darnell Nurse with retention and tell you "you want to get tougher and create some cap space? A Nurse-Chabot swap would be perfect for you. We'll retain 3.0 AAV on Nurse's contract so you could save 1.75 AAV per season!"



Is it true though?



There's a Sens fan in that thread who says : "It's an ode to old school hockey that pokes fun at MAGA. Not a call for senseless aggressiveness lmfao."



See above, many other comments go in that direction. I didn't even know about the existence of that clothing line until now but I'd say the MAGA affiliation is more for mocking.

I don't think it's fair to call him an albatross, but it was made pretty clear since the last TDL, that trading him wasn't an option without holding back cap. Even Garrioch reported it.

 

[Micklebot]

I don't think it's fair to call him an albatross, but it was made pretty clear since the last TDL, that trading him wasn't an option without holding back cap. Even Garrioch reported it.

He's still a top 4 Dman that a lot of teams would be happy to have if his cap hit was lower.

That's the thing, cap matters a lot. Joseph at under 3m is pretty close to fair value but we had to pay to move him because he was maybe overpaid by 500k.

You generally can't just add an 8 m dman to play on your 2nd pair even if you think he's worth 8m.

 

[Senscore]

Swayman 8x8.25

 

[SpezDispenser]

Boston did us a favor with his AVV. let's do 6 years, 8.25 per please

 

[2CHAINZ]

They got one glimpse of the real Korpisalo and wrote Swayman and blank check.

 

[JD1]

He's still a top 4 Dman that a lot of teams would be happy to have if his cap hit was lower.

That's the thing, cap matters a lot. Joseph at under 3m is pretty close to fair value but we had to pay to move him because he was maybe overpaid by 500k.

You generally can't just add an 8 m dman to play on your 2nd pair even if you think he's worth 8m.

Sure, if his cap hit was around say 5.

And we've got a shallow prospect pool and we're down a first from the Dandanov deal.

The absolute best thing that could happen here down the road is LTIR'd.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Tim Thomas - top 5 sv% (.920) during his tenure from 05-06 to 2013-14
Tuuka Rask - top 7 sv% (.918) from 2014-15 to 2020-21
Ullmark - 1st in sv% (.924) from 2021-22 to 2023-24
Korpisalo??? - 2024-25


Two decades of elite goaltending followed by Korpisalo? They can't sign Swayman fast enough.

But they should not sell he farm, to pay someone who has only started 125 games, and has another 7 appearances in relief…