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Sure, but there have been 2 of those (offer sheets) in the last 10 years.
If they are getting that squeezed by the cap we should call them about Boeser.
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If they are getting that squeezed by the cap we should call them about Boeser.
jkutswings
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jkutswings
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Correct. This team needs to shift from gathering assets to doing damage. And a guy like Pettersson is 1) the high end talent to compliment the good depth they have, 2) not currently in the pipeline, and 3) not likely to be found in any of Detroit's next 4 first round picks.
NickH8
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On one hand, that seems crazy. On the other hand 4 picks that are between 15-30...
Yeah, you could definitely make an argument you'll struggle to get 4 guys that equal Pettersson in impact on a roster.
So I just picked a Toronto as a team that has finished well in the standings and has been competitive. And here are there last 4 first round selections. Not consecutive years, just the last 4 picks from the first round.
Easton Cowan
Rodion Amirov
Rasmus Sandin
Timothy Liljegren
Yeah I think that's an easy package to give up. Obviously you could make a list of selections with some cherry picking that's better than this, but it's entirely possible that package of mid to late 1st rounders is underwhelming all said and done.
jkutswings
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Exactly. Everybody loves the magic beans beforehand, but a few years later the overwhelming statistical probability is that you'll land a combination of solid players and outright busts - none of which comes anywhere close to the value of a 100 point player.
It's actually a compliment to the organization that I'm ready to make that kind of deal. Detroit has done a fantastic job finding lots of pieces, with more developing very well. So if you're already knocking on the door to return to the playoffs, and you have both good team depth and cap space, and you then (hypothetically) get a chance to land a guy that's already a known commodity on the level of a top 2 overall pick... That's a slam dunk of a move.
Do I think Vancouver is dumb enough to do anything other than write him a blank check to stay? Probably not. But if by some chance the Wings could offer sheet a guy of that level, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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It’s 4 first round picks and a contract so high that Vancouver doesn’t want to match it. So 12m? 13? 14?
Also if you guys don’t think there is collusion between GM’s to not be “that guy” and do this type of move, I think you are a bit naive. As I said earlier, there’s been 2 offer sheets in the last 10 years.
It's true. I guess the question is do you think your GM can find gems good enough in the mid to late 1st to make up for the difference. It's certainly possible a team could end up ahead with the 1st rounders, but I don't know if it's likely. Just for fun, I'm gonna look at the 1st rounds from Detroit outside of the top 15.
Evgeny Svechnikov
Dylan Larkin (the best on this list and #15 so we'll count him)
Anthony Mantha
Riley Sheahan
So other than Larkin, this is the easiest deal that ever dealed. The reality is to best a Pettersson you're looking at finding a Larkin and then a Mantha that's not the Washington Mantha.
And just for fun, let's keep going!
Tom McCollum
Brendan Smith
Jakub Kindl
Woof. Yeah, gotta hope and pray you find a Larkin. The next 1st rounder before that the Wings picked was Kronwall in the year 2000. My how time flies.
This is an academic exercise in value. I was shocked someone was willing to give up FOUR 1st round picks for Pettersson. Then I thought about it more and looked at a pile of late 1st rounders and thought it's not so shocking.
I don't think the offer sheet is a viable or realistic move.
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This proves that Pastrnak is a gamer and Tkachuk sucks:
Pasta with the double hander is pretty impressive...
Pasta with the double hander is pretty impressive...
OgeeOgelthorpe
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Have any of yous guys been following the shitshow in Columbus?
Sign Gaudreau, don't give him any real stars to play with.
Hire Babcock, fire Babcock after he throws a grenade in the locker room.
Laine ends up in PAP.
Draft Kent Johnson, bring him up too soon, and now he's been shuffled to the AHL.
Draft David Jiricek, bring him up too soon, and now he's shuffled to the AHL AND very unhappy.
Draft Adam Fantilli, injured for rest of year now.
What else could go wrong with that franchise?
Sign Gaudreau, don't give him any real stars to play with.
Hire Babcock, fire Babcock after he throws a grenade in the locker room.
Laine ends up in PAP.
Draft Kent Johnson, bring him up too soon, and now he's been shuffled to the AHL.
Draft David Jiricek, bring him up too soon, and now he's shuffled to the AHL AND very unhappy.
Draft Adam Fantilli, injured for rest of year now.
What else could go wrong with that franchise?
jkutswings
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They're right on track to become Detroit's 4A farm team. What's so wrong with that?
Oh wait. They could finally realize they're from Ohio. That might be the last straw to put them over the edge.
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I think that would be a good market if they could ever get anything really going. The couple times they have sniffed the playoffs there has been decent buzz, my brother in law is from the area. They have had a few decent star players. At this point you have to look heavily at ownership, the McConnell family has owned the team the whole way. I know the founder is literally famous for his faith in the Golden Rule but something has gone pretty terribly wrong there. At some point it starts to look like the Ford family before Sheila Hamp Ford. The culture there appears to be rotted to the core, it does sound like they are heading towards another hard reset. I wish that fanbase luck. There is a reality when people dump on Phoenix or Columbus that there just hasn't been a massive reason to be engaged for a very long time.
FabricDetails
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So there's corporate me and then me me... Me me is going to hell for sure.
Owner is probably on a list that rhymes with schlepstein.
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5 and a game for that? I'm guessing Marchand popped up right after the refs called the penalty?
He took 3 good whacks at the goalie who clearly had the puck frozen. You have to know someone is coming.
It's amazing they call 5 and a game for something like this and Larkin gets repeatedly abused and refs call a minor at best.
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Columbus is a small-ish (relative) and rather weird/unique market though. No one there is ever going to care about the Jackets until Ohio State's football season does its annual end of season crash and burn to either Michigan or SEC playoff team and comes to an end...so the Jackets are kinda SOL until at least December. And on top of that, the "unknown" factor is gone by that point, so if the team is already bad by December, fans arent gonna want to jump on board a sinking ship.
Then on top of that, even IF CBJ has a decent team, if that team isn't better relative to the league than Ohio State's basketball team, then that's just another possible difficulty in getting the community behind them.
I think Columbus was an interesting thought experiment, but that market really needs the team to be solidly competitive by December *every single year* to get any sort of momentum and sustained local buzz, and most years it just hasn't been.
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I liked Bert when he was here and would've liked him to stay but knew it was unlikely given his contract ask.
We knew he was a gamble but I wouldn't have expected his production to fall off this dramatically. Unless he's playing injured what isn't clicking in Toronto that did on the Wings?
Kent Johnson was great last season and playing well this season, not sure why they put him in the AHL.
David Jiricek was brought up 4 months too early.
The odd thing is, they have actually been pretty good at drafting the last decade. Not sure why they are where they are.
ricky0034
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looks like he's been primarily playing with Tavares and Nylander at even strength this year and is 5th on the team in even strength minutes among forwards behind only those two and Matthews/Marner
not getting a ton of powerplay time but still really feels like he should be doing a lot better than he is
His last season on the Wings his shooting percentage fell ten points, and it didn't get much better on the Bruins. This season looks like a continuation of that. He did have some injury issues, didn't he? Maybe he's less gung-ho about going to areas of the ice where he really made his living. If he's further from the net, it would help explain his fall in shooting percentage.
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I'm looking for an article/writings to share with someone that better explains than I can the advantages/disadvantages of handedness depending on where faceoffs are:
This one was kind of decent but if anyone here has seen anything better please feel free to share:
This one was kind of decent but if anyone here has seen anything better please feel free to share:
OgeeOgelthorpe
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Because they aren't as good at drafting as people think.
Outside of the Rangers, if you draft and develop prospects well, your team is generally successful.
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