KingsHockey24
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Nope. Dustin Brown will be our fix. Just give it another couple months. Chemistry takes time!
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Nope. Dustin Brown will be our fix. Just give it another couple months. Chemistry takes time!
Herby
How could Blake have known?
King'sPawn
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Axl Rhoadz
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The same guy who’s had only 3 goals in his previous 33 games this year…on a team that is so out of playoff contention that it benefits them more to lose? Wow, you are really reaching, dude.
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And Kaliyev, who is a year younger, has more goals playing on the 4th line than Caufield has on the top one. Not to mention he's a far better all-around player than Caufield because of it. As they say, two sides to every coin.
Or, it could be that Boldy is just better than Hughes, Kakko, Dach, Cozens, Podkilzin, Caufield, and other first-rounders taken before or around him who have struggled. Are those guys all subject to development and deployment problems?
I'm not saying the Kings are particularly good at those things, but picking a couple of guys out of a draft and using it as an example when there are many more examples to the contrary doesn't hold much weight as an argument. The top three picks all have had preferential deployments and development, yet they've all disappointed. Caufield has been put in the best possible position to succeed, yet he's been outplayed by a guy we picked up in the second round and put with a couple of energy/grinder guys.
King'sPawn
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Caufield hasn't been playing on the top line up until recently. So saying Kaliyev has more goals on the 4th than Caufield on the first is misleading.
New coach and 4 games later, Caufield is on the top line and has 4 goals.
But yes, we'll continue to celebrate Kaliyev's ability to grind. Clearly him playing more meaningful minutes will ruin that component of his game.
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I pull this move all the time because the goalies always leave a ton of space between their back and the posts, it's a beer league cheat code. "Zegras Does The RP Against The Oilers" 
Doesn't he know this is a classless move?!?
Doesn't he know this is a classless move?!?
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kingsfan28
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Solid take.
Hughes was the most hyped prospect since Mcdavid and has 32 goals in 150 games. Now is that a development or a usage problem? The kid would be getting trashed on this board, with the usual suspects taking the blame for not developing him right.
All I see is prospect envy because other teams guys are playing and our are not. If Byfield doesn't get hurt, we'd be talking about him the same way everyone talks about Zegras. Some guys take longer to get it, other can step right in. Happens every year, and will continue as long as there is pro hockey.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I pull this move all the time because the goalies always leave a ton of space between their back and the posts, it's a beer league cheat code. "Zegras Does The RP Against The Oilers"
Doesn't he know this is a classless move?!?
He smart to skate wide after the goal. we all know how dangerous Smith can be with his stick when he gives up a bad goal.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I pull this move all the time because the goalies always leave a ton of space between their back and the posts, it's a beer league cheat code. "Zegras Does The RP Against The Oilers"
Doesn't he know this is a classless move?!?
It really is, I was gonna say lazy beer league goalies doing the reverse VH early is always hilarious but Smith isn't even doing that, he's trying to pokecheck the pass before TZ even loads up
Kane has been effective for Edmonton. Oilers definitely got the coaching bump.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Hughes was developed fine. He took his lumps in the NHL as an 18 year old, maybe he “wasn’t ready” (oh the horror) but he wasn’t sent to the AHL, the Devils stuck with the proven path for a player of his caliber, he got a bit better as a 19 year old and is a star as a 20 year old.
Are you telling us that people would be trashing a 20 year old point-per-game player and that the Kings development and deployment of skilled young players isn’t a problem?
Maybe you can enlighten me.....who did NJ have that Hughes would have had to climb over?
And yea, this board would have f***ing melted down....the first two years of Hughes development.... and NJ is nowhere near close to contending, so by the time they MIGHT be......time to resign Hughes to a 8 year 80 million contract...right?
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
you've been here as long as I have, I think you know the answer. You'd have been ok with Blake paying 8/80 mil for 30 total goals?
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What I see are people defending how the prospects are being developed by saying not all prospects are the same or equal. Yet, they are completely okay with every prospect, at least with forwards, be started in the bottom six and being treated the same.
So if all prospects are different and grow differently, why is their development plan and arc virtually the same? Why does every forward have to play on the bottom-six and have to learn to grind, if indeed you all believe that all prospects have different timelines?
I keep seeing the narrative that Kaliyev is being taught to be a grinder. I still think it’s more a matter that the fourth line clicked than keeping him on a grinder line.
That being said. I think a tweak to the first line would be good. Kempe Kopi Kaliyev. Put Iaffalo with Byfield. Move Brown to fourth.
That being said. I think a tweak to the first line would be good. Kempe Kopi Kaliyev. Put Iaffalo with Byfield. Move Brown to fourth.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
Kaliyev isn’t being taught to be a grinder. He’s learning that job because in order to have a place in this lineup that is the role he must fill. What he’s not focused on is what he needs to do to score goals in the nhl.
That’s the first time in his life that has happened. And it’s happening on the biggest stage for a team entering in a playoff seed dog fight. He looks and sounds like a good kid with a humble, grateful attitude. So I think his limited role is still better than playing in the minors. The kid is physically capable of competing and it helps that the GM put it out there that next season he has an opportunity in the top six.
The disagreement comes down to whether he could become a goal scorer quicker by playing higher in the lineup consistently. I think even the fans who choose not to criticize his deployment would be interested to see what happens with Kaliyev if he gets a promotion due to a forward getting injured long term and the Kings stay in the playoff hunt down the stretch.
That’s the first time in his life that has happened. And it’s happening on the biggest stage for a team entering in a playoff seed dog fight. He looks and sounds like a good kid with a humble, grateful attitude. So I think his limited role is still better than playing in the minors. The kid is physically capable of competing and it helps that the GM put it out there that next season he has an opportunity in the top six.
The disagreement comes down to whether he could become a goal scorer quicker by playing higher in the lineup consistently. I think even the fans who choose not to criticize his deployment would be interested to see what happens with Kaliyev if he gets a promotion due to a forward getting injured long term and the Kings stay in the playoff hunt down the stretch.
They will all throw a shitfit and whine and bitch because the team is still competiti....oh wait...
No, they will be happy with the progression and development...
Caufield gets preferential deployments and lots of PP time, he always has. No reason to make excuses for him. He will get better, but I'll take Kaliyev over him easily right now and he was a second-rounder.
Yeah, he's doing fine now, but it took him a few years which is the point. There is no real set path for any player. Someone better tell the Oilers about that path because they sent Draisaitl down and he ended up twice the player Hughes is. If Hughes would have had those first two years around here the narrative would be the Kings were terrible at drafting/development, etc. because they couldn't even get a dominant player with the 1OA.
It's difficult to compare the paths that players take because no two players are the same and they all take different times to succeed. It's like the Draisaitl comparison, he's just one player - what worked for him will not work for someone else. For every higher pick that is thrown on a top-line right away and succeeds, there is one who doesn't. It's also impossible to really analyze the development of a draft pick for 3 or 4 years. Was Wheeler developed incorrectly? He started incredibly slow then became a very dominant player. So many variables on and off the ice.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
“You know what is happiness? It’s a moment before you need more happiness.”
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I'll walk back my Kaliyev comments to a degree. He's not the best example. I've been happy with his development BUT it's hard to tell if it's because TM stumbled into an awesome 4th line or whether they would have had him there regardless--everything else points to the latter.
But between that and Rob Blake's comments about him being in the top six next year I'm hopeful they'll start getting him shooting more, too. Because his development with the puck and off the boards has been phenomenal. And the partnership with a puckhound like Lizotte and a bodyguard in Pepe is great.
Now if they put effort into finding a third line that works instead of shoehorning rookies with rejects there all year, I think most of us would genuinely be ok.
But between that and Rob Blake's comments about him being in the top six next year I'm hopeful they'll start getting him shooting more, too. Because his development with the puck and off the boards has been phenomenal. And the partnership with a puckhound like Lizotte and a bodyguard in Pepe is great.
Now if they put effort into finding a third line that works instead of shoehorning rookies with rejects there all year, I think most of us would genuinely be ok.
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