Around the League Thread part V
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Why would that not be fair? I guess maybe it's not fair to the player, but if the team went out seeking help making the playoffs and traded for a player, and then their LTIR'ed guy came back, that other player would have to move off the roster to make room.
I don't mean 'compliant' as in they have to trade/waive a guy, only that you can't literally ice a team for a playoff game worth more than the cap, especially not 7-10 million more than the cap.
redcard
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But that's just it, the cap isn't really there for parity. Its all about cost control and preventing salary expenses from increasing too quickly. Sorry star player, we can't pay you 15 million, best we can do is 10. If that's not good enough for you there's 1 or 2 teams out there that might be able to give you 11 or 12, hope you're not too picky. Sorry grinders, we can't give you each 3 million but here's 1.5. The cap allocates a certain amount of revenue to the players, such that if a player wants a raise it comes out of the pocket of other players. Without a cap, they could hold out for higher and higher contracts and reducing the share of revenue that goes to the owners.
Non traditional market teams like Dallas, Carolina, and Florida are all spending at the cap this season. 21 out of 32 teams are within $3 mil of the cap, and what space they do have is largely for the purpose of flexibility. Of the other 11, many of them have spent to the cap before and would have no problem doing so again if they thought they were competitive. Every time the cap goes up, contract values go up to fill the gap. If you upped the cap by 5-10 million right now, its not like you'd see 1 or 2 teams pull away and create dynasties. You'd have half the league up against the cap again in short order and 5-10 million out of their owners bank accounts.
It may be sold to the players and fans as a means of leveling the playing field, but any parity it actually creates is just a convenient byproduct.
Boldy with goals 5 & 6 tonight.
First goal tonight on line with Fiala and Gaudreau.
Second goal on PP1(!) with Kaprizov, Zuccarello, Ericksson Ek, Spurgeon.
Someone tell Evason the kid is only 20 and shouldn't be on PP1 and shouldn't be playing with someone as offensively talented as Fiala.
First goal tonight on line with Fiala and Gaudreau.
Second goal on PP1(!) with Kaprizov, Zuccarello, Ericksson Ek, Spurgeon.
Someone tell Evason the kid is only 20 and shouldn't be on PP1 and shouldn't be playing with someone as offensively talented as Fiala.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
The dominant sophomore/immediately jump to pro hockey model is working again (shocking). Props to Minnesota for the perfect evaluation and development of this player.
He reminds me a bit of a lefty Mark Stone.
Aaand just added his third of the game. Always liked Boldy big can skate and has skill. Wild is gonna be good for a looong time.
KingsFan7824
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Then the deadline will be even more of a non-event that it's turned into.
I agree that's its another example if circumventing the cap. Although there is no cap to circumvent come playoff time. I doubt the PA would even agree to it.
Reclamation Project
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I shouldn't care what main board clowns think, but anyone who thinks an NHL player (especially someone of Mark Stone's caliber) is going to fake an injury and not play, is supremely stupid. These people are a liability to society.
tny760
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yeah i'm not sure why people argue this in black/white terms.. is he hurt? probably. is he hurt bad enough to stop playing if eichel wasn't a concern? probably not.. if i was in their position and was able to upgrade from injured stone to healthy eichel, i'd figure out a way to play eichel too, even if the playoff loophole didn't exist. that's just a bonus.
do i think it's right? not personally, but the loophole's there and the league doesn't seem to care, so i guess i can't be too mad about it. it's like F1 racing, some team comes up with a novel way to shave a tenth from their lap time.. other teams can either cry to the officials that it's illegal or they can figure it out and start doing it themselves.
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It just makes no sense, he's been injured all year. He's barely played half the season and in a bunch of those games he was noticeably not at full capacity. He's an absolute BEAST of a player, injured and in and out of the lineup and is still a point per game player, he's so good. Vegas has been beat up all year. Pacioretty is another guy that has been injured most of the year and he's over a point per game. Vegas is a much worse team without these two and they aren't comfortably in a playoff spot, not even close. Mark Stone is one of the best two way players in the league and can single handedly shut down teams by himself. Vegas' defense this year has not been that great (in part to numerous injuries), and they are considerably worse defensively without Stone. It's like I don't even get the idea that these jokers think Vegas is doing this on purpose, it just defies all logic. Now Whitecloud is out with a broken foot and Alec is trying to get back after getting kicked in the face with a skate. If you are a GM and you have to trade a bottom six player or two to get your captain and best player back, it's not even a decision, you trade the players.
Plus, these people clearly have never seen Mark Stone play, there isn't a player in the game that loves playing more than he does. His energy is infectious.
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I'm not accusing them of anything at all, in case it's not clear. I do believe Stone is f***ed up. I do not for one second question his desire to play.
I DO question the team's ability to use that to their advantage by adding a player who is 12.5% of the salary cap and being able to ice a playoff team that's f***ING 15% OVER THE SALARY CAP simply because a high-caliber player is injured at the 'right' time. I question the integrity of a league whose eventual champion is closely tied to the idea of a high-salary player being injured every year. If Vegas wins, that would be 3 of the last 10 champs who take major advantage of a really stupid yet really fixable loophole.
I DO question the team's ability to use that to their advantage by adding a player who is 12.5% of the salary cap and being able to ice a playoff team that's f***ING 15% OVER THE SALARY CAP simply because a high-caliber player is injured at the 'right' time. I question the integrity of a league whose eventual champion is closely tied to the idea of a high-salary player being injured every year. If Vegas wins, that would be 3 of the last 10 champs who take major advantage of a really stupid yet really fixable loophole.
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Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
They also have Marco Rossi still in the A. Kaprizov has really elevated everyone in the lineup on nightly basis.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Just like plenty else in hockey that's broken, like the Arizona Coyotes and overlooking systematic abuse.
Greatest game on earth, undermined by dogshit leadership and culture.
apocalypse
Dean Lombardi's Yes Man
Lame question, but I don't keep up with all the rule changes and what not. How does the playoff format work? I thought that the first 4 teams in each division make the playoffs. Is that not true? gkg
Top 3 in each division and then the top 2 remaining teams in the conference are wild cards. A division could have 3, 4, or 5 teams make the playoffs. I think if a wildcard beats the winner of the other division, they stay in that division's bracket. Not quite sure on that though.
deeshamrock
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Given how long it's been since he's played, wouldn't playing a couple games in the AHL benefit him?
players in his talent bracket don't play in the AHL.
Kaners Bald Spot
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If Eichel comes back healthy and as good as he's ever been, a lot of teams are going to look stupid for not acquiring him.
f***ing Vegas....
DrHansReinhardt
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yup, he could be what gets Vegas over the hump. Especially if Stone can play in the playoffs. I don't fully trust Lehner but they are deep everywhere else.
they should....and vegas should want them to. Nothing dirty but would want him to get hit a little.
BringTheReign
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I still believe in Turcotte, and no one had any idea how their sophomore season was going to go after the disaster of their freshmen year + the pandemic, but damn I wish he'd stayed at UW another season.
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