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Around the League Thread part V

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Eichel is going to be ANGRY and MOTIVATED when he gets back. Buffalo really screwed this up, should have just given him the surgery. I think Tuch is an incredible player (and exactly what the Kings need), but Buffalo handled that entire scenario so poorly. A player with that skill set and IQ, with that hunger and motivation, is a very dangerous player. He's going to go beast mode this season.

No one mentions the McDavid impact too, Eichel will have EXTRA motivation being in the same division. Even more so given he's on a better team and wants to crush him. This is going to be very exciting to watch.
 
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except they are known playoff joke artists. That maybe different with Sutter but I like LA's chances vs them opposed to vegas or Colorado. no mater what if LA gets in the kings will be underdogs and it will be seen as a successful season
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The Kings do not match up well against Colorado. I mean, nobody does, but the Avalanche have absolutely manhandled the Kings for a couple of years now.
 
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Eichel is going to be ANGRY and MOTIVATED when he gets back. Buffalo really screwed this up, should have just given him the surgery. I think Tuch is an incredible player (and exactly what the Kings need), but Buffalo handled that entire scenario so poorly. A player with that skill set and IQ, with that hunger and motivation, is a very dangerous player. He's going to go beast mode this season.

No one mentions the McDavid impact too, Eichel will have EXTRA motivation being in the same division. Even more so given he's on a better team and wants to crush him. This is going to be very exciting to watch.
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Yeah, usually when great players are stuck in terrible situations they go beast when they finally get out of it.

We've seen this before with Buffalo. Ryan O'Reilly gets out of Buffalo-hell, and the next season he scores a career high in points, wins the Selke, the Conn Smythe and the Stanley Cup.
 
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NHL should have closed the loop hole after the hawks did it with Kane. They didn't and now teams are using it. I don't blame the Knights but blame the league.

Easiest fix there is, the players a team ices during the playoffs must be cap compliant. That's the 20 man roster, so not including extras and black aces. It would allow teams to ice players who do return from legitimate injury, allow a bit more wiggle room in the playoffs, but still close the obvious BS.
 
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Mark Stone has already missed tons of time this season with that back injury long before they traded for Eichel. And it’s not a single injury, there are numerous issues with his back. He has seen a number of different specialists. If the decision is between two mid-tier players traded or Mark Stone, the choice is clear. Stone is one of the top forwards in the NHL. The Golden Knights are much worse without him in the lineup. Let’s not get crazy.
 
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Mark Stone has already missed tons of time this season with that back injury long before they traded for Eichel. And it’s not a single injury, there are numerous issues with his back. He has seen a number of different specialists. If the decision is between two mid-tier players traded or Mark Stone, the choice is clear. Stone is one of the top forwards in the NHL. The Golden Knights are much worse without him in the lineup. Let’s not get crazy.
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I agree and feel the injury is legit. I also will not be surprised when he can play through it come the playoffs.
Vegas is using the tools available to them. I would want the Kings to do the same. I just think this tool should be different come playoff time.
 
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YP44 said:
NHL should have closed the loop hole after the hawks did it with Kane. They didn't and now teams are using it. I don't blame the Knights but blame the league.

Easiest fix there is, the players a team ices during the playoffs must be cap compliant. That's the 20 man roster, so not including extras and black aces. It would allow teams to ice players who do return from legitimate injury, allow a bit more wiggle room in the playoffs, but still close the obvious BS.
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Seriously, it's such an easy solution. Playoff game day roster has to be cap compliant. That's it.

Team that needs the 'relief' gets it in the form of LTIR--you can still make trades and shape your roster to make the playoffs. Yet, you can't abuse that to be over the cap by approximately one-two star players since they'll just have to be benched if you don't make the other moves to be cap compliant. I have yet to hear a legitimate criticism of that idea. Edit: it also makes it so said team doesn't have to make any moves so other Gms can't just bend them over the barrel, yet they'll want to make moves to fit in Stone and Eichel rather than have to bench one. Or, alternatively, maybe they want to have star power on the bench in case of injury, so they still get an advantage to a degree anyway. It just makes it less of a public clown show for the league when impact players come back for the playoffs and look fine.

And you're gonna see teams game it until the loophole is closed.
 
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Seriously, it's such an easy solution. Playoff game day roster has to be cap compliant. That's it.

Team that needs the 'relief' gets it in the form of LTIR--you can still make trades and shape your roster to make the playoffs. Yet, you can't abuse that to be over the cap by approximately one-two star players since they'll just have to be benched if you don't make the other moves to be cap compliant. I have yet to hear a legitimate criticism of that idea. Edit: it also makes it so said team doesn't have to make any moves so other Gms can't just bend them over the barrel, yet they'll want to make moves to fit in Stone and Eichel rather than have to bench one. Or, alternatively, maybe they want to have star power on the bench in case of injury, so they still get an advantage to a degree anyway. It just makes it less of a public clown show for the league when impact players come back for the playoffs and look fine.

And you're gonna see teams game it until the loophole is closed.
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It would still allow the teams to exceed the cap by a fair amount too, so seems like a fair middle ground. As a fan I want to see the best players play, especially in the playoffs. So need to ensure that is still possible.
 
I read that the Lightning tried to close this loophole after they lost to Hawks after Kane's amazing return for the playoffs. Some other owners/GMs blocked it.
That's why it was ironic the Bolts milked the idiotic rule last year re: Kucherov's return.
Leave it to the NHL to have a firm cap for parity during the regular season, then have it legally manipulated for the part of the year that really counts--the playoffs.
Disgusting...and fixable
 
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I don't understand the intricacies of the Salary Cap but I think the reason it can't be just converted over to playoff "compliance" is that the Salary Cap is actually calculated on a day by day basis.

We talk about it as if it's an annual calculation for ease of conversation but it's actually a constantly shifting equation based on player status.

Every team has the same length of regular season so every team can be held to the same standards when it comes to salary accrual.

Not every team makes the playoffs and not every playoff team sticks around the same amount of time.

How would you "make" a team be cap compliant for the playoffs?

You would have to make an entirely new designation for the definition of "cap compliance" and then ask the players association to agree to it in the next CBA... I don't know why they wouldn't off the top of my head but I'm sure someone with more perspective could come up with something.
 
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If a guy were to return only by the start of the 3rd rd, could a team make a trade at the deadline, to help get the 3rd rd, and then be stuck having to be cap compliant? Is that fair?
 
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