Around the League Thread part V

[Axl Rhoadz]

Random note I heard about Calgary today…not a single draft pick of theirs from last 5 years have played an NHL game yet.

 

[DoktorJeep]

If Tkachuk is leaving Calgary for St Louis, that weakens the pacific division IMO. My guess at returns would be Parayko and a first.

 

[kingsboy11]

Does Tarasenko still want out of St Louis? Might be able to make a deal if that's the case.

 

[BigKing]

Eh, I'm still not sure I completely buy the rumor Tkachuk wants out. I'm sure there's a kernel of truth to it, but probably overstated.

Back in Lombardi's early years here, I regularly attended Kings' development camp. I wish I remembered the player's name, but there was a very brief rumor circling the message boards that the Kings were interested in a particular player.

The source? Some 12 year-old kid trying to eavesdrop through the curtains at camp who thought he heard a name.

Now, it didn't span quite as large as being broadcast on the air, but all it takes is someone to think they heard something, and then it morphs into speculation. Then it gets people asking others "is this true?"

I'm sure Sutter isn't the easiest coach to play for. And I'm sure Tkachuk thinks "damn. It sucks Gaudreau left." Who wouldn't? I don't think that's a reach. I'm just not sure that's enough where he will want to uproot his entire life and family to move to another team.

It will be interesting to see what Calgary does moving forward nonetheless. It always hurts to lose one of your better players for nothing - but, as we saw with the Isles and Tavares, it can be done.

But there have been concerns about Tkachuk for a good amount of time now and it really makes sense now that they lost a 100 point player for nothing.

Keith is my favorite player of all-time. Captain America. Signed an offer sheet to leave Winnipeg for Chicago even though he was the captain of the team. Now, relocation rumors were swirling and Calgary isn't Winnipeg climate wise but, still, the old man tried to bail on a Canadian market.

Is it St. Louis or bust? Not so sure about that but I've always envisioned both of the Tkachuk boys playing for a US team eventually.

 

[Brodeur]

Does Tarasenko still want out of St Louis? Might be able to make a deal if that's the case.

Yeah, this might be a fun domino effect to make the cap work. Just throwing some spaghetti against a wall:

STL: LW Matthew Tkachuk (RFA)
CGY: RW Jordan Kyrou (1x2.8), 2023 1st

Calgary gets back a young right shot winger who was a point per game last season. St. Louis' pick will probably be late, but might yield a decent prospect.

STL: LW Anthony Beauvillier (2x4.125)
NYI: RW Vladimir Tarasenko (1x7.5)

The Russians seemingly like the NY area. Islanders send some salary back the other way to leave enough cap space to extend Dobson/Romanov.

STL: year supply of Crazy Bread
DET: LD Torey Krug (5x6.5)

Krug has a NTC but maybe would be willing to waive to go to his de facto home town team. Wings get a much needed puck moving LD. Gives them a vet presence and they won't need to rush Simon Edvinsson. St. Louis can use Scott Perunovich to maybe be 70% Krug at a nearly 6 mil discount.

Tkachuk(9?)+Beauvillier(4.125)+Perunovich(.75) ~ 13.875

Tarasenko(7.5)+Kyrou(2.8)+Krug(6.5) ~ 16.8

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Tkachuk-O'Reilly-Saad
Barbashev-Thomas-Buchnevich
Beauvillier-Schenn-Kostin
Walker-Acciari-Leivo
Brown-Toropchenko

Leddy-Parayko
Scandella-Faulk
Perunovich-Bortuzzo
Mikkola

Binnington-Greiss

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Mangiapane-Lindholm-Kyrou
Coleman-Backlund-Toffoli
Pelletier-Monahan-Dube
Lucic-Rooney-Lewis
Ruzicka

Hanifin-Tanev
Valimaki-Andersson
Zadorov-Kylington
Meloche

Markstrom-Vladar

==========================

Bertuzzi-Larkin-Raymond
Perron-Copp-Vrana
Kubalik-Suter-Zadina
Erne-Rasmussen-Sundqvist
Fabbri*-Smith

Krug-Seider
Chiarot-Hronek
Maatta-Lindstrom
Oesterle

Husso-Nedeljkovic

===========================

Lee-Barzal-Tarasenko
Bailey-Nelson-Palmieri
Parise-Pageau-Wahlstrom
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck
Bellows-Johnston

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Dobson
Aho-Mayfield
Salo

Sorokin-Varlamov

 

[The Butcher]

I agree with you on this point, and it is why I am somewhat concerned Quick won't get the HOF credit he deserves, and will end up as an LA King cult hero.

I'd be willing to form a small terrorist cell were this to happen.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I bet if the Sens really wanted to get it done, they could get Matthew Tkachuk rather easily for Tim Stutzle. They also would still have enough cap space to sign Nazem Kadri, and form the most hated line in the NHL with Brady Tkachuk, Nazem Kadri, and Matthew Tkachuk.

 

[Statto]

THe problem isn't Quick, it's the market.

If Quick is NYR or MTL he's already in the HOF and they're writing songs about him right now.

Carey Price is just Jonathan Quick lite but in the right market.

Lundqvist is the standard bearer for consistency for that generation, he deserves his accolades, but with an asterisk for Quick outplaying him

A big asterisk as he has Quicks Vezina. He absolutely deserves a Vezina, just not that one.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I bet if the Sens really wanted to get it done, they could get Matthew Tkachuk rather easily for Tim Stutzle. They also would still have enough cap space to sign Nazem Kadri, and form the most hated line in the NHL with Brady Tkachuk, Nazem Kadri, and Matthew Tkachuk.

I don't think they could get that entire line over the boards without someone somewhere taking a misconduct

 

[shuchukfan]

What's up with Calgary? Are the players already sick of Sutter?

 

[DrHansReinhardt]

 

[Brodeur]

What's up with Calgary? Are the players already sick of Sutter?

Probably two fold, some players don't like the spotlight playing in Canada and would rather be able to live anonymously elsewhere. I remember a couple diehard Leafs fans following Steven Stamkos around when he met with Toronto during that free agency period and Stamkos commenting about his stalkers something like "this isn't helping Toronto's pitch."

Secondly the taxes is tough. Not surprisingly, Tkachuk's purported list has 4/5 teams in cities with no state income tax. Using CapFriendly's tax estimate:

9 million playing for Calgary ~ 4.7 mil in net income
9 million playing for Dallas ~ 5.339 in net income
9 million playing for Florida ~ 5.325 mil in net income
9 million playing for Nashville ~ 5.42 mil in net income
9 million playing for St. Louis ~ 4.88 mil in net income
9 million playing for Vegas ~ 5.32 mil in net income

Over a 7/8 year deal, the difference would add up.

 

[The Butcher]

Yeah, this might be a fun domino effect to make the cap work. Just throwing some spaghetti against a wall:

STL: LW Matthew Tkachuk (RFA)
CGY: RW Jordan Kyrou (1x2.8), 2023 1st

Calgary gets back a young right shot winger who was a point per game last season. St. Louis' pick will probably be late, but might yield a decent prospect.

STL: LW Anthony Beauvillier (2x4.125)
NYI: RW Vladimir Tarasenko (1x7.5)

The Russians seemingly like the NY area. Islanders send some salary back the other way to leave enough cap space to extend Dobson/Romanov.

STL: year supply of Crazy Bread
DET: LD Torey Krug (5x6.5)

Krug has a NTC but maybe would be willing to waive to go to his de facto home town team. Wings get a much needed puck moving LD. Gives them a vet presence and they won't need to rush Simon Edvinsson. St. Louis can use Scott Perunovich to maybe be 70% Krug at a nearly 6 mil discount.

Tkachuk(9?)+Beauvillier(4.125)+Perunovich(.75) ~ 13.875

Tarasenko(7.5)+Kyrou(2.8)+Krug(6.5) ~ 16.8

=================

Tkachuk-O'Reilly-Saad
Barbashev-Thomas-Buchnevich
Beauvillier-Schenn-Kostin
Walker-Acciari-Leivo
Brown-Toropchenko

Leddy-Parayko
Scandella-Faulk
Perunovich-Bortuzzo
Mikkola

Binnington-Greiss

==========================

Mangiapane-Lindholm-Kyrou
Coleman-Backlund-Toffoli
Pelletier-Monahan-Dube
Lucic-Rooney-Lewis
Ruzicka

Hanifin-Tanev
Valimaki-Andersson
Zadorov-Kylington
Meloche

Markstrom-Vladar

==========================

Bertuzzi-Larkin-Raymond
Perron-Copp-Vrana
Kubalik-Suter-Zadina
Erne-Rasmussen-Sundqvist
Fabbri*-Smith

Krug-Seider
Chiarot-Hronek
Maatta-Lindstrom
Oesterle

Husso-Nedeljkovic

===========================

Lee-Barzal-Tarasenko
Bailey-Nelson-Palmieri
Parise-Pageau-Wahlstrom
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck
Bellows-Johnston

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Dobson
Aho-Mayfield
Salo

Sorokin-Varlamov

According to news stories Kyrou might be traded to a prison cell.

 

[Brodeur]

According to news stories Kyrou might be traded to a prison cell.

Blues' Thomas, Kyrou distance themselves from Canada junior hockey scandal

In statement, Thomas says he was not involved or present during alleged sexual assault by some members of Team Canada's 2018 World Junior team.

www.stltoday.com

Kyrou says he wasn't at the Gala that night.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Dang. Calgary has had a rough offseason.

Blindside check into the boards with no call.

 

[tbrown33]

Probably two fold, some players don't like the spotlight playing in Canada and would rather be able to live anonymously elsewhere. I remember a couple diehard Leafs fans following Steven Stamkos around when he met with Toronto during that free agency period and Stamkos commenting about his stalkers something like "this isn't helping Toronto's pitch."

Secondly the taxes is tough. Not surprisingly, Tkachuk's purported list has 4/5 teams in cities with no state income tax. Using CapFriendly's tax estimate:

9 million playing for Calgary ~ 4.7 mil in net income
9 million playing for Dallas ~ 5.339 in net income
9 million playing for Florida ~ 5.325 mil in net income
9 million playing for Nashville ~ 5.42 mil in net income
9 million playing for St. Louis ~ 4.88 mil in net income
9 million playing for Vegas ~ 5.32 mil in net income

Over a 7/8 year deal, the difference would add up.

the no state tax only applies to home games, so the math isn't so cut and dry

 

[YP44]

Probably two fold, some players don't like the spotlight playing in Canada and would rather be able to live anonymously elsewhere. I remember a couple diehard Leafs fans following Steven Stamkos around when he met with Toronto during that free agency period and Stamkos commenting about his stalkers something like "this isn't helping Toronto's pitch."

Secondly the taxes is tough. Not surprisingly, Tkachuk's purported list has 4/5 teams in cities with no state income tax. Using CapFriendly's tax estimate:

9 million playing for Calgary ~ 4.7 mil in net income
9 million playing for Dallas ~ 5.339 in net income
9 million playing for Florida ~ 5.325 mil in net income
9 million playing for Nashville ~ 5.42 mil in net income
9 million playing for St. Louis ~ 4.88 mil in net income
9 million playing for Vegas ~ 5.32 mil in net income

Over a 7/8 year deal, the difference would add up.

honestly the shit building and crappy winters do not help sell this place either

 

[KINGS17]

Tkachuk for Doughty? (evil grin)

 

[kingsfan28]

Probably two fold, some players don't like the spotlight playing in Canada and would rather be able to live anonymously elsewhere. I remember a couple diehard Leafs fans following Steven Stamkos around when he met with Toronto during that free agency period and Stamkos commenting about his stalkers something like "this isn't helping Toronto's pitch."

Secondly the taxes is tough. Not surprisingly, Tkachuk's purported list has 4/5 teams in cities with no state income tax. Using CapFriendly's tax estimate:

9 million playing for Calgary ~ 4.7 mil in net income
9 million playing for Dallas ~ 5.339 in net income
9 million playing for Florida ~ 5.325 mil in net income
9 million playing for Nashville ~ 5.42 mil in net income
9 million playing for St. Louis ~ 4.88 mil in net income
9 million playing for Vegas ~ 5.32 mil in net income

Over a 7/8 year deal, the difference would add up.

He'll end up in Vegas. Then , being 11 mil over the cap will have a mysterious off ice incident involving 3 players, forcing all 3 to be put on LTIR. Vegas somehow starts the season under the cap.

 

[bouncesonly]

the no state tax only applies to home games, so the math isn't so cut and dry

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

Calculation:

• Federal Jurisdiction:
  • American residents are not subject to Canadian taxes; therefore, duty days while in Canada are taxed at their local rate
  • Canadian residents are not subject to American taxes; therefore, duty days while in the USA are taxed at their local rate. The current exchange rate is used to convert the respective income to CAD to estimate the tax rate (because all players are paid in USD)
• State/Provincial Jurisdiction:
  • Provincial: Residents in Canada are not subject to "jock taxes" and therefore are taxed at their location of residence (assumed to be their teams home province)
  • State: Residents of American teams are subject to "jock taxes", and are therefore taxed for their duty days at the local jurisdiction.
    
    • Reciprocity agreements: Simplified by assuming the tax rate for the player is the maximum of: a) The local tax rate, or b) The players state residence tax rate (Example: A player visiting Florida (no State tax) from California, will be taxed at the California rates for their duty days in Florida)

 

[Bandit]

Dang. Calgary has had a rough offseason.

Blindside check into the boards with no call.

Good.

Probably two fold, some players don't like the spotlight playing in Canada and would rather be able to live anonymously elsewhere. I remember a couple diehard Leafs fans following Steven Stamkos around when he met with Toronto during that free agency period and Stamkos commenting about his stalkers something like "this isn't helping Toronto's pitch."

Secondly the taxes is tough. Not surprisingly, Tkachuk's purported list has 4/5 teams in cities with no state income tax. Using CapFriendly's tax estimate:

9 million playing for Calgary ~ 4.7 mil in net income
9 million playing for Dallas ~ 5.339 in net income
9 million playing for Florida ~ 5.325 mil in net income
9 million playing for Nashville ~ 5.42 mil in net income
9 million playing for St. Louis ~ 4.88 mil in net income
9 million playing for Vegas ~ 5.32 mil in net income

Over a 7/8 year deal, the difference would add up.

If you can’t make your life work for 4.7 million, you are a shit human.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Tkachuk to Lumbus for Laine and a draft pick! Blue Jackets become a free agent destination!

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Tkachuk to Lumbus for Laine and a draft pick! Blue Jackets become a free agent destination!

Laine isn't signing with Calgary either

 

[KingsFan7824]

If you can’t make your life work for 4.7 million, you are a shit human.

That's not the point. An extra $500k is $4m over 8 years. That's not nothing. Sure, he doesn't need it, but, you also don't mess with someone else's money. If he wants that extra $4m, or wants to live in a less hockey crazy place, or whatever else, that's the point of free agency.

 

[Mats26]

I bet if the Sens really wanted to get it done, they could get Matthew Tkachuk rather easily for Tim Stutzle. They also would still have enough cap space to sign Nazem Kadri, and form the most hated line in the NHL with Brady Tkachuk, Nazem Kadri, and Matthew Tkachuk.

Zero chance that is happening if they want to keep Debrincat. Stuzle is already their 2C and cheap. They won't have 5 players making over 8 million.