Around the League Thread part V

[johnjm22]

Starting to get hot in Calgary?

From what I understand, if they don't sign him to a long term contract, he gets a 1 year deal in arbitration, then he'll be a UFA next offseason.

Tough situation for the Flames, they basically have 3 options:

1) Overpay him on a long term deal.
2) Let him go to arbitration, and likely lose him to free agency a year from now.
3) Trade him (but no one can afford his contract so the return will likely be muted).

 

[HookKing]

I feel like Richards is appropriately polarizing.

Short high peak, quick fall apart. Both parties are right, but even in 2014 he had key moments symbolic of his stature as an 'intangibles' guy.

After that some of us, certainly me anyway, held on too long thinking there was no way someone could decline that quickly and he just needed some recovery time, but that shouldn't diminish his prior accomplishments.

Intangibles guys don't get a statue.

 

[cyclones22]

Stature, not statue.

 

[HookKing]

"Kings statues: Gretzky and Robitaille
Kings cult heroes: Williams, Richards, Quick (at least these are a some of mine)
You decide."

Statue(s) not stature.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm just glad we have a dedicated Jeremy Roenick urinal at the arena formerly known as Staples Center.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm just glad we have a dedicated Jeremy Roenick urinal at the arena formerly known as Staples Center.

Aren't they all

 

[Gjwrams]

Aren't they all

No… there are a few Corey Perry urinals in there as well.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

"Kings statues: Gretzky and Robitaille
Kings cult heroes: Williams, Richards, Quick (at least these are a some of mine)
You decide."

Statue(s) not stature.

lol, Quick is no cult hero.

 

[KINGS17]

lol, Quick is no cult hero.

You think Quick gets the appropriate recognition? I don't.

 

[Matt13]

"Kings statues: Gretzky and Robitaille
Kings cult heroes: Williams, Richards, Quick (at least these are a some of mine)
You decide."

Statue(s) not stature.

Damn shame it was Luc and not Randy that got the statue.

Cult Heroes: add Deadmarsh.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You think Quick gets the appropriate recognition? I don't.

Why wouldn't he? He only holds every single goaltending record in franchise history.

 

[YP44]

From what I understand, if they don't sign him to a long term contract, he gets a 1 year deal in arbitration, then he'll be a UFA next offseason.

Tough situation for the Flames, they basically have 3 options:

1) Overpay him on a long term deal.
2) Let him go to arbitration, and likely lose him to free agency a year from now.
3) Trade him (but no one can afford his contract so the return will likely be muted).

Everyone here in Clagary figures what the Flames did yesterday assures he will be moved. By going to club elected arbitration he is guaranteed minimum of $9M next year and then can walk. Thought is he will be dealt before the arb date.

 

[kingsfan28]

Everyone here in Clagary figures what the Flames did yesterday assures he will be moved. By going to club elected arbitration he is guaranteed minimum of $9M next year and then can walk. Thought is he will be dealt before the arb date.

Or he's moved at the trade deadline where one playoff team will lose their collective mind and give up everything to get him.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

You think Quick gets the appropriate recognition? I don't.

Absolutely....Quick (in my eyes at least) could go down as the Kings most important player this franchise as ever had.

 

[KINGS17]

Absolutely....Quick (in my eyes at least) could go down as the Kings most important player this franchise as ever had.

Do you think he will get a statue? Will he be in the HOF? I think he will get his number retired and be a cult hero among Kings fans.

 

[unicornpig]

Fair assessment. With Richards it’s always about looking at his time with the Kings in 2 parts.

He was a very good player for the Kings in 2012 and 2013, one of the best 2C's in the entire NHL. There is just no way the Kings win the SC in 2012 with either Stoll or 20 year old Schenn as the 2C. I'm not even sure they make the playoffs, to be honest. The intangible stuff can never be proven or disproven, but as a hockey player for those two years he was vitally important to the success of the team, to say that he wasn't is just a bad take.

However, I think many on this forum, even to this day, refuse to admit just how awful and worthless he was in the 2014 run. He was a below replacement player by that point, even the plays people like the bring up, the Girardi play was just an awful play that no NHL d-man should make, whether it's the first pre-season game or OT of the final. He played pretty regularly in 26 playoff games, he wasn't going to not do anything, but I challenge anyone to go back and watch those playoffs and still say the negative plays didn't greatly outnumber the positive ones. To say Richards was a vital part of 2 cup wins is another bad take.

The decision by the Kings to bring him back for 2014-2015 was one of the most short-sighted and awful moves any Kings GM has ever made.

The Kopitar stuff I’ve always found strange, even going back to the cup years many here didn’t really like him. Kopitar and Richards are really not 2 players who should be compared. Kopitar was more Drew Brees and Richards was Matt Ryan.

Oh boy, you're gonna get earful from the Richards fan club

 

[kingsfan28]

You think Quick gets the appropriate recognition? I don't.

Quick is so unappreciated in the nhl. Hank got all the fame and a single award [ the one Quick should've got], where Quick won 2 cups and beat him head to head.

 

[bmr]

Absolutely....Quick (in my eyes at least) could go down as the Kings most important player this franchise as ever had.

Easily top 3. He's the ultimate competitor, been a beast in the playoffs and possesses all the leadership qualities you like to see in a teammate.

When you think about important players that were game changers in the playoffs for us:

Jonathan Quick
Dustin Brown
Anze Kopitar
Mike Richards
Drew Doughty
Jeff Carter
Marian Gaborik
Justin Williams

If we lose any one of those guys, the path to a Cup becomes a lot more uncertain.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Do you think he will get a statue? Will he be in the HOF?

Yes and Yes

 

[The Butcher]

Easily top 3. He's the ultimate competitor, been a beast in the playoffs and possesses all the leadership qualities you like to see in a teammate.

When you think about important players that were game changers in the playoffs for us:

Jonathan Quick
Dustin Brown
Anze Kopitar
Mike Richards
Drew Doughty
Jeff Carter
Marian Gaborik

If we lose any one of those guys, the path to a Cup becomes a lot more uncertain.

Justin Williams says hi.

 

[KINGS17]

Yes and Yes

I hope you are right, but I think you are wrong on both counts.

 

[bmr]

Justin Williams says hi.

OMG - I forgot. I have a friggin picture of him in my office holding the Cup. Major facepalm.

 

[johnjm22]

Everyone here in Clagary figures what the Flames did yesterday assures he will be moved. By going to club elected arbitration he is guaranteed minimum of $9M next year and then can walk. Thought is he will be dealt before the arb date.

If they try and trade him, it will be hard to get full value. Not many 'win-now' teams could afford the huge cap hit he will require.

Flames are probably better off biting the bullet and just giving him the big fat contract he wants. He'll only be 24 when this coming season starts.

Imagine losing your two franchise players in one month.

 

[kingsfan28]

I hope you are right, but I think you are wrong on both counts.

Dude if Ryan Miller, Rinne, and Price are getting in, so is Quick. He only needs 32 wins to pass Miller as the number one all-time American win leader.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I think if Quick can get those 32 wins and stack on a few extra, he can make a good case to get in, especially with Luongo getting in.