Around the League Thread part V

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That 1996 World Cup Team was amazing.

Love how Canada tried to play physical but USA had both Hatcher brothers, Guerin, Otto, Deadmarsh and Tkachuk and they played very physical. There were tons of fights.

I went up to Chelios here in LA once and talked to him about it - he seemed pretty interested when I brought that up and chatted me up. The American players are very proud of this as they should be.

Mike Ritcher was the early day Quick and was a STUD.
 
That 1996 World Cup Team was amazing.

Love how Canada tried to play physical but USA had both Hatcher brothers, Guerin, Otto, Deadmarsh and Tkachuk and they played very physical. There were tons of fights.

I went up to Chelios here in LA once and talked to him about it - he seemed pretty interested when I brought that up and chatted me up. The American players are very proud of this as they should be.

Mike Ritcher was the early day Quick and was a STUD.

I forget if I mentioned it to Guerin, but I was too young for the 1980 Miracle on Ice team so that 1996 squad helped launch hockey into the forefront for me.

The mid-90's shaped me as a kid. Kings SCF run in 1993. Baseball strike in 1994. Post-Showtime Pre-Shaq/Kobe Lakers being competitive but not contending. Raiders and Rams both leaving in 1995. Hockey was the new hotness.



Fun documentary on the World Cup of Hockey in case anybody hadn't seen it on NHL Network.
 
How does barring Russian athletes who had absolutely nothing to do with invading Ukraine solve anything?
You really want me to provide a reading list or do you want to do some research on what's going on in the word and how other sports have reacted? Not a very North American thing to do, I admit.

ETA. I should exempt Canadiens as they do generally have a greater world awareness than the average US of A'er. No offense intended, just a fact.
 
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Is that individual Russian athletes playing for whatever team, or is that Russian athletes on a national team?
Miscellaneous.





 
Miscellaneous.






So mostly about national representation, with the rare instance of individual Russian athletes not being allowed to participate in their normal sports jobs. But I guess it's a "USA bad" sort of thing(I mean, we are dumber than Canadians)? I guess if there were more Russians in the NBA, NFL, and MLB, we'd have a better gauge, so maybe more "NHL bad" than USA bad?
 
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You really want me to provide a reading list or do you want to do some research on what's going on in the word and how other sports have reacted? Not a very North American thing to do, I admit.

ETA. I should exempt Canadiens as they do generally have a greater world awareness than the average US of A'er. No offense intended, just a fact.
Quite a presumptuous non-response response. Again, tell me how a punitive measure of banning Russian athletes from playing solves anything? That would be like kicking the dog because your wife cheated on you. And very funny you used Canada as the ideal: CHL to Ban Russian and Belarusian Players from 2022 Import Draft

I'm sure that will really teach Putin. He'll withdraw the troops from Ukraine any day now.
 
Quite a presumptuous non-response response. Again, tell me how a punitive measure of banning Russian athletes from playing solves anything? That would be like kicking the dog because your wife cheated on you. And very funny you used Canada as the ideal: CHL to Ban Russian and Belarusian Players from 2022 Import Draft

I'm sure that will really teach Putin. He'll withdraw the troops from Ukraine any day now.
Agreed. I am not opposed to decisions being used to raise social awareness or penalizing non-hockey related misconduct, but banning Russian players for the actions of the country doesn't seem right.
 
I forget if I mentioned it to Guerin, but I was too young for the 1980 Miracle on Ice team so that 1996 squad helped launch hockey into the forefront for me.

The mid-90's shaped me as a kid. Kings SCF run in 1993. Baseball strike in 1994. Post-Showtime Pre-Shaq/Kobe Lakers being competitive but not contending. Raiders and Rams both leaving in 1995. Hockey was the new hotness.



Fun documentary on the World Cup of Hockey in case anybody hadn't seen it on NHL Network.

I am definitely going to go back and watch this. Thanks for posting it, Brodeur. As always, you are one of the best around here.

Skirting a fine line on the politics side, folks.
I mean, as long as it's a short skirt...amirite?

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chicago f***in suuuuucked though

rfa stuff isn't my forte, i saw his QO was $4M, since he's being nontendered, is he required to be offered that much or is it blank slate UFA?

not sure we're in a position to kick tires since we're loaded with contracts but he's a goalscoring winger that doesn't do much else right? sounds familiar
 
chicago f***in suuuuucked though

rfa stuff isn't my forte, i saw his QO was $4M, since he's being nontendered, is he required to be offered that much or is it blank slate UFA?

not sure we're in a position to kick tires since we're loaded with contracts but he's a goalscoring winger that doesn't do much else right? sounds familiar
The $4 million QO was just so Chicago could maintain his rights. Since they didn't tender that, Kubalik becomes a UFA.
 
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Chicago is having a fantastic off-season.

This is how you clean out a stagnant franchise. You don't worry about the feelings of fans or players, you clean house, suffer, and establish a new identity free from the successes and failures. The fans will be there, and the memories will never leave - you don't sacrifice that to keep a couple of players happy.

Not every trade has to be "won" on paper, if you can't get where you want to go with someone the value is in the cleanse as much as the return.
 
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Chicago is having a fantastic off-season.

This is how you clean out a stagnant franchise. You don't worry about the feelings of fans or players, you clean house, suffer, and establish a new identity free from the successes and failures. The fans will be there, and the memories will never leave - you don't sacrifice that to keep a couple of players happy.

Not every trade has to be "won" on paper, if you can't get where you want to go with someone the value is in the cleanse as much as the return.
Yes, and if the Rangers really want Kane as bad as some are suggesting, Chicago would be wise to move him as well.
 
Chicago is having a fantastic off-season.

This is how you clean out a stagnant franchise. You don't worry about the feelings of fans or players, you clean house, suffer, and establish a new identity free from the successes and failures. The fans will be there, and the memories will never leave - you don't sacrifice that to keep a couple of players happy.

Not every trade has to be "won" on paper, if you can't get where you want to go with someone the value is in the cleanse as much as the return.
They're still leaning on Toews and Kane at the moment, both of which are in the same age range as Kopitar and Doughty, and they also have the notoriety of looking the other way while a teammate was sexually assaulted and harassed.

They traded away two good young players, and are in year 1 of Jones' absurd contract, and Keith retiring also gives them a recapture penalty.

If tying $31 million on three players who failed to take you to the playoffs, shown questionable leadership, and getting caught in a recapture deal is "fantastic" then the rest of the teams have done well enough to compete for the Stanley Cup.
 
They're still leaning on Toews and Kane at the moment, both of which are in the same age range as Kopitar and Doughty, and they also have the notoriety of looking the other way while a teammate was sexually assaulted and harassed.

They traded away two good young players, and are in year 1 of Jones' absurd contract, and Keith retiring also gives them a recapture penalty.

If tying $31 million on three players who failed to take you to the playoffs, shown questionable leadership, and getting caught in a recapture deal is "fantastic" then the rest of the teams have done well enough to compete for the Stanley Cup.

This is a surgical fix as opposed to a series of bandaids, and the franchise will be better for it in the longterm. They have CLEARLY decided that the decisions of the past, including the recent past, were mistakes and they are moving on accordingly. You can only do so much at a time, and this is an outstanding start. Suffering is part of a rebuild, something the Kings management has avoided at all costs.

And its goddam hilarious that you are the one, of everybody on this board, that would be pointing out the veteran contracts as detriments seeing as you have steadfastly refused to acknowledge the Kopitar extension as the poisonous sandbag it was correctly warned of and has definitively proven to be for six years. And now not only did that extension delay 6 years of potential progress, its killing off the rebuild it forced to occur as well. Extending Kopitar instead of trading him might be the worst decision in the history of the franchise, yet you blame Chicago - a more successful franchise - for doing the same without batting an eye? Come on, KP.

The only difference here is that Chicago will move on from Toews and Kane shortly. The Kings decided that their moldy oldies still have it in them and are sacrificing the future to give them another last chance. Chicago learned its lesson with the Jones mistake, and unlike the Kings, isn't going to throw its arms up into the air and say "oh well, might as well keep going for it seeing as we signed Jones".

Trading DeBrincat was necessary. No rebuilding franchise needs multiple contracts like the extension he was going to require. DeBrincat is a limited player, an excellent weapon enhanced by brilliant talent around him. But you don't make players like that cornerstones of your franchise, and that's what you need out of players getting paid what he will get. You don't need full value out of that deal, escaping the weight of the extension is just as valuable, if not more, than the quality of the return.

Entering a draft with no first rounders despite needing to rebuild, and leaving with two very good prospects and an intriguing project, is absolutely worth celebrating.

Deciding not to get tied down to the qualifying numbers of two meh players in Strome and Kubalik is smart planning.

Telling two elder statesmen that your winning days here are done and encouraging them to move instead of continually bending over your entire franchise to patronize them and playing out the string to the detriment of progress is genius planning and exactly what the Kings should have done.
 
Some team will sign Kubalik on the first or second day after the UFA window. He’ll get more money, goals and ice time next year than the combination of Vilardi and JAD plus whoever the throw in pick was for him to the Kings in the trade.

Dude scored 15g last year on a terrible team. He’s 26. Other than Rob Blake being unable to sign the player, he’d fit in perfectly with the crap plan this management group is trying to effect. 2 year older Iafallo barely outscored him while being more expensive short and long term.

Classic small market mentality from whipped Kings fans to think a prospect sucks because he doesn’t want to earn minutes next to the pantheon of Kopitar, Carter, and Brown. Who’d you rather have today, whatever future nobody we got for Carter, or Kubalik over Moore and Arvidsson next year?
 
This is a surgical fix as opposed to a series of bandaids, and the franchise will be better for it in the longterm. They have CLEARLY decided that the decisions of the past, including the recent past, were mistakes and they are moving on accordingly. You can only do so much at a time, and this is an outstanding start. Suffering is part of a rebuild, something the Kings management has avoided at all costs.

And its goddam hilarious that you are the one, of everybody on this board, that would be pointing out the veteran contracts as detriments seeing as you have steadfastly refused to acknowledge the Kopitar extension as the poisonous sandbag it was correctly warned of and has definitively proven to be for six years. And now not only did that extension delay 6 years of potential progress, its killing off the rebuild it forced to occur as well. Extending Kopitar instead of trading him might be the worst decision in the history of the franchise, yet you blame Chicago - a more successful franchise - for doing the same without batting an eye? Come on, KP.

The only difference here is that Chicago will move on from Toews and Kane shortly. The Kings decided that their moldy oldies still have it in them and are sacrificing the future to give them another last chance. Chicago learned its lesson with the Jones mistake, and unlike the Kings, isn't going to throw its arms up into the air and say "oh well, might as well keep going for it seeing as we signed Jones".

Trading DeBrincat was necessary. No rebuilding franchise needs multiple contracts like the extension he was going to require. DeBrincat is a limited player, an excellent weapon enhanced by brilliant talent around him. But you don't make players like that cornerstones of your franchise, and that's what you need out of players getting paid what he will get. You don't need full value out of that deal, escaping the weight of the extension is just as valuable, if not more, than the quality of the return.

Entering a draft with no first rounders despite needing to rebuild, and leaving with two very good prospects and an intriguing project, is absolutely worth celebrating.

Deciding not to get tied down to the qualifying numbers of two meh players in Strome and Kubalik is smart planning.

Telling two elder statesmen that your winning days here are done and encouraging them to move instead of continually bending over your entire franchise to patronize them and playing out the string to the detriment of progress is genius planning and exactly what the Kings should have done.
I pointed out the veteran contracts as detriments as, again, Kane and Toews are two vets who looked the other way while terrible things were done to a teammate. That's not the same as other vets.

I have maintained that players are people more than assets. Kane and Toews have, by their inaction, not shown they are good people.

The biggest issue with Kopitar's contract is management and coaching chasing a playoff instead of properly integrating youth with good players still on contract. That's not a Kopitar issue.

So, my message has been consistent.

Chicago needs new leadership akin to the Kings. They traded away two key players and are risking a tank. Either they let Kane and Toews walk after getting their new picks, or they re-sign to bide their time until someone does step in.

I'm not a fan of what the Kings are doing. But Chicago treated people as assets and just tried to get "maximum value" which is, again, against my core of how to manage a team.
 
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Apparently Kopi sucks but Byfield is great.

We will never know tho cause the team is against playing Byfield past ten minutes or in any legit situation.

Or maybe Byfield just is young and not ready. When has he truly elevated and blown the doors off or announced his authority.

Kopi is still very effective at what he does but the power play should run through him anymore.
 
Chicago is having a fantastic off-season.

This is how you clean out a stagnant franchise. You don't worry about the feelings of fans or players, you clean house, suffer, and establish a new identity free from the successes and failures. The fans will be there, and the memories will never leave - you don't sacrifice that to keep a couple of players happy.

Not every trade has to be "won" on paper, if you can't get where you want to go with someone the value is in the cleanse as much as the return.

They're only doing this wonderful job because it's the last year of Kane and Toews, and they're 33 and 34 years. Kane will be 34 in the fall. And they would've missed the playoffs for the last 5 consecutive seasons, if not for Covid.

When Kopitar signed his deal, the Kings were in 1st place in the Pac, top 5 overall, and Kopitar was 28 going on 29. Doughty was also 28 going on 29, and they had just made the playoffs. And it wasn't 5 straight years of being total crap.

It's a sad attempt to rip on the Kings, because you never seem to look at context. Everything seems to be the same, no matter the team. No variable seems to matter. One size should fit all. When DL and Blake got their jobs, they had the same conditions to work under. There was already a young Kopitar and Brown waiting for Blake. I don't have to mention them, because we know who they are. He inherited some decent prospects. No long term deals on the books. It wasn't a dozen years into the cap era, with all the complications and complexities that come with that, as opposed to one year into the hard cap. It was the same context as when DL got the job. He should've done the same thing. Carter, at 32, with 5 years left, and Demitra, at 31 going on 32, with 2 years left, is the same thing. There's no difference in any of those numbers.
 
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