Around the League Thread Part IV

[Little Psycho]

He didn't take it seriously...so he didn't care.

 

[eleventy]

Anyone catch Toews comments tonight? It's like PR didn't prep him, he's a f***ing idiot.

Imagine being on "Covid protocol" before the game (probably to avoid media), skate for said game, then provide media availability anyway.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

He didn't take it seriously...so he didn't care.

I think you are asking a lot from a 23-yr old who probably had zero experience with dealing with a situation like that. If the people above him weren't taking action and leading by example, not sure why we are expecting him to pave the way. That's ridiculous.

 

[kingsfan]

I think you are asking a lot from a 23-yr old who probably had zero experience with dealing with a situation like that. If the people above him weren't taking action and leading by example, not sure why we are expecting him to pave the way. That's ridiculous.

The question was if he wished he'd done something then. He's not answering as a 23 year old, he's being asked to answer as a 34 year old looking back on it now. To say no, not really, is just a dumb comment and shows he's pretty clueless and arguably carefree about it as well.

 

[Statto]

I think you are asking a lot from a 23-yr old who probably had zero experience with dealing with a situation like that. If the people above him weren't taking action and leading by example, not sure why we are expecting him to pave the way. That's ridiculous.

He’s was 23 years old and a grown man. He does not need hand holding to do something proactive to support a team mate. A simple “how’s it going?” would be a good start.

 

[King'sPawn]

I think you are asking a lot from a 23-yr old who probably had zero experience with dealing with a situation like that. If the people above him weren't taking action and leading by example, not sure why we are expecting him to pave the way. That's ridiculous.

People do dumb things at 23. I get it. I'm not judging him for screwing up as a 23-year-old.

However, when he was first asked about this months ago, he was annoyed. And tonight, he's calling people who covered up the rape "good people." And knowing what he knows now, he wouldn't have handled it differently.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I would have totally accepted Toews admitting he f***ed up at 23.

I don't at all accept his handling of it now with the benefit of preparation and time for reflection.

 

[Dave33]

It's like an M. Night twist, the intangibles were actually negative and he's scum.

 

[kingsboy11]

Toews can't even do the bare minimum. If I was Kyle Beach I'd be really hurt hearing him say this.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The last sentence of that tweet has him saying that had he known more then, that he thinks he would've acted differently at the time.

 

[King'sPawn]

The last sentence of that tweet has him saying that had he known more then, that he thinks he would've acted differently at the time.

"In his role as captain."

But he started off saying "no, not really."

 

[tny760]

i'm not really sure i have any reason to not believe him when he says that he didn't know until training camp, but that's a judgment call on me. the things he said after were uh.. a little tonedeaf to say the least but i'm not sure i'm ready to hold him to the same fire that management should be

i feel like people are going out of their way right now to pitchfork as many degrees of separation as possible and they should chill with that. i think it's very possible he was insulated by management from everything beyond hearing that something happened between aldrich and beach and aldrich was gone. i'm not sure why we constantly call star hockey players idiot jocks one day but now expect them to be social wizzes and experts with management skills the next? if management comes to Jock_01 and goes "we handled it" Jock_01 is gonna go "alright where are my pads" not "well how did you handle it?"

i don't even particularly like the guy, i just think people should direct their anger to the people who actually covered this horrendous shit up and enabled more guys getting abused, not the people who might have known that it happened and maybe heard someone call beach bad names

 

[KingsFan7824]

"In his role as captain."

But he started off saying "no, not really."

But what was the specific question that he answered no, not really, to? Because the start and end of that answer are fairly opposite.

 

[King'sPawn]

But what was the specific question that he answered no, not really, to? Because the start and end of that answer are fairly opposite.

The tweet literally says what the reporter asked. Toews is hedging.

 

[Statto]

The last sentence of that tweet has him saying that had he known more then, that he thinks he would've acted differently at the time.

That’s his second attempt… his first quote said “probably”. It’s a badly run PR attempt on his part, not a heart felt statement.

 

[Master Yoda]

That’s his second attempt… his first quote said “probably”. It’s a badly run PR attempt on his part, not a heart felt statement.

He probably should've been better prepared to answer these questions, but I think you give them too much credit.
These guys are the same athletes that answer every question with "obviously".

 

[Statto]

I’m disappointed there is seemingly nothing from our players on this, not that I can find anyway. I don’t want an LAKINGS approved statement, I want these guys to lay it out there. *sigh* no chance.

 

[BigKing]

This all reminds me of when we were debating the merits of Voynov being allowed to play again and I made the point that a large majority of these NHL players--and pro athletes in general--would be cancelled by a lot of people if fans were able to see who they really were. It's the Charles Barkley "I'm not a role model" thing which is 100% correct: a lot of these guys are meat heads that are singularly focused on their bodies and sport and "grew up" in locker rooms.

No real issues with Toews lack of a response when the incident happened: his job is to play his best and try to win a Cup. It's up to the organization to handle an issue like this and, IMO, that doesn't include the head coach either. His job is to coach the team to the best of his ability and try to win a cup. The dudes in management roles in the organization are the ones that need to be on top of this.

Of course, Toews sounds stupid with his quote from last night but, then again, he is a hockey dude-bro so it isn't unexpected. Don't have to agree with it but at least he said what he actually felt v. some BS statement provided by the Hawks PR team.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The tweet literally says what the reporter asked. Toews is hedging.

There is no direct question in that tweet. They're just completely different answers. No, not really. Yes, I think I would have.

I’m disappointed there is seemingly nothing from our players on this, not that I can find anyway. I don’t want an LAKINGS approved statement, I want these guys to lay it out there. *sigh* no chance.

Implying they're guilty now too?

Did everyone around the league publicly discuss Voynov?

 

[Jericho111091]

Toews stopped just short of saying "cancel culture got stan and al fired" freakin' captain complicit

 

[kingsholygrail]

The question was if he wished he'd done something then. He's not answering as a 23 year old, he's being asked to answer as a 34 year old looking back on it now. To say no, not really, is just a dumb comment and shows he's pretty clueless and arguably carefree about it as well.

He says no based on the information he had at the time. He even says if he knew more he likely would have done something different. But those questions are inherently unfair because the questioner is fishing for a specific response.

But is anyone going to ask Kyle why he didn't file a police report?

 

[kingsfan28]

Bettman is getting eviscerated on all the socials for letting coach Q be on the bench last night.Also, how the hell could Fehr know about this and do nothing?

Then there's this:

 

[Statto]

There is no direct question in that tweet. They're just completely different answers. No, not really. Yes, I think I would have.



Implying they're guilty now too?

Did everyone around the league publicly discuss Voynov?

I’m implying nothing. I just would like to think they’d vocalise support of Beach. I want to see that they care.

The more support he gets from the NHL at large, the better for him. It’s also good for players to help drive change because a 2 million fine isn’t changing anything.

 

[Statto]

But is anyone going to ask Kyle why he didn't file a police report?

Shame, fear, guilt, PTSD. Fear of not being believed, especially as he is a male victim. Probably believed that if he went outside of the team he would be dropped by Chicago, and given their actions he’s probably right.

There are likely lots of reasons, it’s not simple. He disclosed to someone he trusted, to his team that absolutely had a duty of care. They threw him under the bus, backed it up and ran him over again.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I mean the guy went up the food chain as much as he could and had the PA promising to investigate and they didn't. There's a reason victims don't report; look at how many people failed and outright betrayed Beach. From a promising NHL prospect to German Tier III. They buried him as hard as they could and continually do...with all the access and resources Beach had, is it any wonder victims of ANY power/background don't report?

Is it a question worth asking? I guess. I'm pretty sure we've already guessed the answer though and it has to do with abusive power relationships and a hockey culture that's still backing each other up in light of severe facts.