Around the League Thread Part III: Free Agent Frenzy Hangover

[KingsFan7824]

So we have 2 Goalies in the top 20 in cap hits. Not sure Cal is worth 5 million per a season yet. Quick needs to be shopped this summer.

Nobody is touching Quick until the 2023 trade deadline, if then.

 

[kingsfan]

LA doesn't need the space. One year of both goalies making bank won't be the end of times. Especially since Brown, Carter, Edler and Maata come off.

Cap space is a commodity, ask Vancouver right now. If we 'don't need it' then use it as bait to acquire more assets. there's never an excuse to waste an asset because we don't need it.

Y'all need to get outside & breath. This is a King's forum. How are we not relentlessly mocking the Sharks right now? Where are the terrible trade proposals on the mains? We're not bringing our A game.

Blake Lizotte for Tomas Hertl. E4

Nobody is touching Quick until the 2023 trade deadline, if then.

Always depends on the bait. There's always a team that needs a cap hit and could use a draft pick or two to be enticed to take it. Frankly, I'm surprised Buffalo isn't all over a Quick deal, he'd be a good mentor for Lukkonen and he's better than that Anderson/Dell sack of goo thy have in net right now. I guess tankers gonna tank.

 

[Fishhead]

Nobody is touching Quick until the 2023 trade deadline, if then.

Unless a goalie for a contender goes down and they don't trust their backup.

 

[kingsfan28]

So we have 2 Goalies in the top 20 in cap hits. Not sure Cal is worth 5 million per a season yet. Quick needs to be shopped this summer.

Quick will retire a King, get used to it. Even if they do attempt to trade him , they'll have to eat part of his salary, about half I'd say. So now you have to bring in a quality back up, pay him about 2.5 mil, now add in the money you're paying Quick to play somewhere else, you're back to 10 mil for the pair.

Plus, who cares if they're top 20 or top 10, you need 2 quality guys in net. The years of a true #1 plus some bum as a back up making 800k are long gone.

 

[kingsfan]

Quick will retire a King, get used to it. Even if they do attempt to trade him , they'll have to eat part of his salary, about half I'd say. So now you have to bring in a quality back up, pay him about 2.5 mil, now add in the money you're paying Quick to play somewhere else, you're back to 10 mil for the pair.

Plus, who cares if they're top 20 or top 10, you need 2 quality guys in net. The years of a true #1 plus some bum as a back up making 800k are long gone.

Unless you're Tampa Bay

 

[KingTech]

If Blake can trade Carter Quick can be moved. However Blake will talk to quick to see if he wants to go. Imo that is the only way he is traded Blake respects his vets who have earned the right to decide imo to play out the rest of there contract in la.Brown Kopitar Doughty have also earn this right imo/

 

[FSL KINGS]

Eichel update!!!
- failed physical
- going on IR
- Captaincy revoked

Sounds like offers on injured Eichel aren't where Kevin Adams thinks healthy Eichel should be. KA isn't coming down to a broken Eichel price & telling him to get healthy. Still at standstill on fusion vs disk replacement.

 

[KingsFan7824]

If Blake can trade Carter Quick can be moved. However Blake will talk to quick to see if he wants to go. Imo that is the only way he is traded Blake respects his vets who have earned the right to decide imo to play out the rest of there contract in la.Brown Kopitar Doughty have also earn this right imo/

Forwards and goalies are different. Carter can not only play C or W, he can also move on 4 different lines if need be. Quick is either on the ice, or on the bench. Nobody else needs him as a backup.

And yeah, Carter went to a team that has a former King running the show. Maybe the Pens take Quick too. Who knows what they try in the dying days of the Crosby era.

It was safe to assume Carter wouldn't go anywhere until his last year, if then, and it's as equally safe to assume the same for #32.

 

[KingTech]

Forwards and goalies are different. Carter can not only play C or W, he can also move on 4 different lines if need be. Quick is either on the ice, or on the bench. Nobody else needs him as a backup.

And yeah, Carter went to a team that has a former King running the show. Maybe the Pens take Quick too. Who knows what they try in the dying days of the Crosby era.

It was safe to assume Carter wouldn't go anywhere until his last year, if then, and it's as equally safe to assume the same for #32.

I totally disagree if Quick wanted to move there would be interest. Edmonton comes to mind as should be interested if quick wanted to go. Blake deals with players as people not as a certain position. If Quick wanted to go Blake would have no issues respecting his wish. If Quick wants out he would get out easy However i doubt he wants out He seems fine spliting the goalie duties and there is no real person in the pipeline to replace him. However there is no reason why a quick trade couldn't get the goalie hes replacing back or one in the ahl for said team.

 

[Cook24]

What a shit show Buffalo is. Obviously you have your team doctors make a diagnosis, but if a player wants a second opinion, why would you not let them get the surgery they are requesting? No ones gonna want to sign with Buffalo now…

 

[Fishhead]

What a shit show Buffalo is. Obviously you have your team doctors make a diagnosis, but if a player wants a second opinion, why would you not let them get the surgery they are requesting? No ones gonna want to sign with Buffalo now…

What Eichel is requesting has never been demonstrated to be able to hold up to the rigors of hockey. It's fine for a typical person walking around, but who knows from someone who takes heavy contact repeatedly. Neck stuff is so tricky that experts are split on whether it will hold up, and even those are guesses because it's never really been done in an active contact athlete.

It's like having a really expensive car that needs fixing, would you do something risky that could screw it up where it would lose it's value or go with the tried and true repair? It's a no win situation really.

 

[kingsfan]

Eichel update!!!
- failed physical
- going on IR
- Captaincy revoked

Sounds like offers on injured Eichel aren't where Kevin Adams thinks healthy Eichel should be. KA isn't coming down to a broken Eichel price & telling him to get healthy. Still at standstill on fusion vs disk replacement.

KA is a bloody moron. He won the Risto trade but took less than he should have on Reinhart and has somehow bungled this Eichel situation beyond belief. Mr. "We're in charge of the process" has managed to have a situation where the player hasn't played in about six months, hasn't moved any closer to getting healthy, hasn't moved any closer to trading the player, and now, for zero reason, tells the world they stripped him of his captaincy, which will nothing to benefit the trade value. That entire team is a f***ing mess from the owner to the popcorn sellers.

I totally disagree if Quick wanted to move there would be interest. Edmonton comes to mind as should be interested if quick wanted to go. Blake deals with players as people not as a certain position. If Quick wanted to go Blake would have no issues respecting his wish. If Quick wants out he would get out easy However i doubt he wants out He seems fine spliting the goalie duties and there is no real person in the pipeline to replace him. However there is no reason why a quick trade couldn't get the goalie hes replacing back or one in the ahl for said team.

The market for teams that could reasonably use Quick as their starter starts and ends at Buffalo. Edmonton has Smith and as old as he is, he vastly outperformed Quick last season and they just recommitted to him for two more years. Additionally, they have Koiskinen as the backup there so any Quick deal would likely see them sending Koiskinen somewhere else or back to us. I can't see who would want Koiskinen and it makes no sense for us to take him back. May as well stick with Quick.

What a shit show Buffalo is. Obviously you have your team doctors make a diagnosis, but if a player wants a second opinion, why would you not let them get the surgery they are requesting? No ones gonna want to sign with Buffalo now…

I understand not automatically doing what a player wants, but he was hurt March 7. It's now been six and half months, you should have had this resolved by now or him traded. To be at the exact same place you were March 7 (or worse when you add in he's wanting a trade, been stripped of his captaincy, etc.) is piss poor management.

 

[Master Yoda]

KA is a bloody moron. He won the Risto trade but took less than he should have on Reinhart and has somehow bungled this Eichel situation beyond belief. Mr. "We're in charge of the process" has managed to have a situation where the player hasn't played in about six months, hasn't moved any closer to getting healthy, hasn't moved any closer to trading the player, and now, for zero reason, tells the world they stripped him of his captaincy, which will nothing to benefit the trade value. That entire team is a f***ing mess from the owner to the popcorn sellers.



The market for teams that could reasonably use Quick as their starter starts and ends at Buffalo. Edmonton has Smith and as old as he is, he vastly outperformed Quick last season and they just recommitted to him for two more years. Additionally, they have Koiskinen as the backup there so any Quick deal would likely see them sending Koiskinen somewhere else or back to us. I can't see who would want Koiskinen and it makes no sense for us to take him back. May as well stick with Quick.



I understand not automatically doing what a player wants, but he was hurt March 7. It's now been six and half months, you should have had this resolved by now or him traded. To be at the exact same place you were March 7 (or worse when you add in he's wanting a trade, been stripped of his captaincy, etc.) is piss poor management.

The Sabres are a mess, for sure.

But regarding the Eichel situation, I'm not sure there's anything that could've be done.
The team doesn't want him to get the surgery Eichel wants, for a good reason, and Eichel is adamant about getting the surgery he wants.
This is known to all NHL teams, and nobody wants to pay what is, or at least once thought to be, a fair price for an injured young $10million #1 center who wants a surgery not usually performed on professional athletes.

They could've gave him up for peanuts, but what does that really achieve?
They could've done better to convince him to get the surgery they wanted, but maybe Eichel is dead set on what he wants?
Yes, the responsibility ultimately falls on the management, but not so black and white.

 

[mbar]

I wonder if the team's insurance comes into play as well. Like, if he gets the experimental (for hockey players) surgery and it fails and he never plays again. Would the insurance refuse to cover his salary because they didn't use the tried and true approach to this injury?

Willing to bet that is a factor here.

 

[kingsfan]

The Sabres are a mess, for sure.

But regarding the Eichel situation, I'm not sure there's anything that could've be done.
The team doesn't want him to get the surgery Eichel wants, for a good reason, and Eichel is adamant about getting the surgery he wants.
This is known to all NHL teams, and nobody wants to pay what is, or at least once thought to be, a fair price for an injured young $10million #1 center who wants a surgery not usually performed on professional athletes.

They could've gave him up for peanuts, but what does that really achieve?
They could've done better to convince him to get the surgery they wanted, but maybe Eichel is dead set on what he wants?
Yes, the responsibility ultimately falls on the management, but not so black and white.

Agreed.

What I meant was we're closing in on seven months now and no resolution on any part of this. We knew this was an issue well before the draft, a deadline should have been set and the decision to have the surgery made by that date or he's traded. By the draft, this gongshow was already 3 1/2 months old, that should have been the time to tell him to get the surgery we insist on or you're traded. It might be peanuts, hard to say without knowing the offers, but it was reported at the draft there was multiple offers of a first round pick, a prospect and a player. I don't recall by what teams, but Minny seemed to be the hot scoop as the landing spot at that point so I'd assume they were in there, and of course we were rumoured as well. Obviously, value changes based on the value of all three of those assets, but something was on the table. Are they even going to get that now?

Instead, they've managed to somehow make the situation worse and are engaging in a public fight with the player, which is only driving down the value even more. Part of managing an asset is knowing when to cut bait, and the Sabres are doing anything but. They seem to be enjoying this fight. There was no reason at all to announce stripping Eichel of the C, but they did it anyway. They look like they are pissed at the player and are trying to punish him.

I wonder if the team's insurance comes into play as well. Like, if he gets the experimental (for hockey players) surgery and it fails and he never plays again. Would the insurance refuse to cover his salary because they didn't use the tried and true approach to this injury.

Willing to be that is a factor here.

Oh very likely it's a factor.

 

[Fishhead]

Instead, they've managed to somehow make the situation worse and are engaging in a public fight with the player, which is only driving down the value even more. Part of managing an asset is knowing when to cut bait, and the Sabres are doing anything but. They seem to be enjoying this fight. There was no reason at all to announce stripping Eichel of the C, but they did it anyway. They look like they are pissed at the player and are trying to punish him.

I completely support Buffalo's stance on which surgery to get, but this just makes them look like a clown show. "Hey, send us 4 first-rounders for a $10M guy we just ripped a letter off of because he's a shitty leader".

 

[Steve Zissou]

LIVE LOOK! at the current phase in the Eichel sweepstakes...

 

[Stimpythecat]

Eichel wants his choice of surgery but he also wants to be paid all of his $50 million and have the sabres take on all the risk if the surgery goes south.

He can't have both. The sabres do get a say if he wants both.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[King'sPawn]

When I read Logan Couture mum on....

I legit thought Couture's mother was commenting. Whoops.

 

[Stimpythecat]

How to agree with the question without outright agreeing with the question.

 

[King'sPawn]

Luc? Is that you?

 

[Steve Zissou]

 

[Matt13]

LIVE LOOK! at the current phase in the Eichel sweepstakes...

That forehead........

 

[Stimpythecat]

That pic always reminds me of Beavis.