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Around the League Thread Part III: Free Agent Frenzy Hangover

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kingsfan said:
I'm not sure that helps us really. I like Dipietro but I'm not sure he's significantly better than other prospects we have coming up and would just add to the glut we have already. I'd rather let our kids play for the year and see where things sit at the end of the season first.
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I think hes alot better then any goalie prospect we have currently I also think he will end up a decent number 1 in the nhl.
 
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KingTech said:
I think hes alot better then any goalie prospect we have currently I also think he will end up a decent number 1 in the nhl.
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You could be right. I can see him going either way. I don't see his upside as being anything better than Petersen is already though and can likely keep Petersen around for another decade if things work out. I'd rather we swing for the fences on a prospect goalie and draft someone high than put our hope behind a mid-tier goalie prospect.
 
kingsfan said:
You could be right. I can see him going either way. I don't see his upside as being anything better than Petersen is already though and can likely keep Petersen around for another decade if things work out. I'd rather we swing for the fences on a prospect goalie and draft someone high than put our hope behind a mid-tier goalie prospect.
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Right now we have more players then positions for them on the main roster. Trading Walker opens up a spot for Durzi Strand or Spence to make the main roster. Upgrading our goalie prospects is something the Kings need to do imo. its the weakest area we have. It also gives us a extra pick in a deep draft. We would probably use it to move up in the draft for specific pick we like as we seem to do most drafts. I am not saying hes any better then Peterson ( i am not saying he isn't either) I am saying hes better then what we have and at worse he ll make a great backup that can play more then a handful of games should Peterson gets hurt.
 
None of Durzi, Strand or Spence should be on the main roster yet. And if you're worried about more players than positions, we're already full on goalies.
 
kingsfan said:
None of Durzi, Strand or Spence should be on the main roster yet. And if you're worried about more players than positions, we're already full on goalies.
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Well maybe maybe not However Clague is and can play the right side and right now is going to be on risk of being claimed as he has to go thru waivers to go to the ahl. DiPietro would most likely be a starting goalie in the Ahl right now and would be ready imo to be in the nhl when Quicks contract is up. He also does not need waivers to go to ahl.
 
kingsfan said:
I don't see why we're so worried about waivers for guys like Clague, Lizotte, etc. These guys are worth a mid-round pick at best at this point. I'm not making a move or two so we can protect a 5th round pick if I'm Blake. Virtually every team has to waive a guy like these at this time of year.
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I don't know if 'worried' is really the term except for individual favorites, I just think we'd all agree it's both a byproduct of camp competition as well as kinda bad asset management (especially in Clague's case who got dicked all around for the better part of two years) in some cases. Sure everyone is going to have their own losses, though, and their own similar-level players.
 
Sol said:
Damn they must be some sexys pics if offloading a contract is doable.
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Just a sample.
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bland said:
Lizotte is a much, much better player. Like not even close.
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strongly disagree...Lizotte tops out as a 4C whereas I still see Clague with middle pairing potential and has tangible offensive ability
 
YP44 said:
His kid has major health issues and the concern for Hamonic is brining covid home. His decision I respect.
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I also respect his decision. I did not look in to why nor do I care as it is his personal decision.

The opening on their blueline is what got my attention. We could get something nice for Walker or Roy. It really sucks Clarke got mono, I would have loved to see if he could earn a roster spot. We have several serviceable RD in the ranks. Maybe it's sink of swim time for Durzi or lets see if Spence can translate his game to the NHL. Strand looked solid in his brief stint. If that goes tits up then we get a better draft pick and plenty of fodder for the message boards.

EDIT- I hope his kid gets better as well.
 
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DrHansReinhardt said:
I also respect his decision. I did not look in to why nor do I care as it is his personal decision.

The opening on their blueline is what got my attention. We could get something nice for Walker or Roy. It really sucks Clarke got mono, I would have loved to see if he could earn a roster spot. We have several serviceable RD in the ranks. Maybe it's sink of swim time for Durzi or lets see if Spence can translate his game to the NHL. Strand looked solid in his brief stint. If that goes tits up then we get a better draft pick and plenty of fodder for the message boards.

EDIT- I hope his kid gets better as well.
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The Kings invested $15.95m in cap space on the team in additions or retentions, along with giving Petersen $15m for the next 3 years after this one. They're not hanging their season on Durzi, Spence, or Strand, just because Vancouver might have someone retire.

They're playing this season to beat Van for a playoff spot, not help the Canucks.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
The Kings invested $15.95m in cap space on the team in additions or retentions, along with giving Petersen $15m for the next 3 years after this one. They're not hanging their season on Durzi, Spence, or Strand, just because Vancouver might have someone retire.

They're playing this season to beat Van for a playoff spot, not help the Canucks.
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There was a farmer had a dog and BINGO was his name-o

Unless several things go very wrong, Vegas is winning the division
The Oilers should finish second
After that.......it very well could be a battle for third place


(I think both wildcards are coming from the Central this year
 
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tny760 said:
i know some of you guys aren't high on clague (usually with good reason) but this seems out of line to me

there's room to grow with clague, i'm not sure that's true for lizotte
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Lizotte is a tough case to pinpoint

I was the conductor of the Lizote train after his rookie year and he started out good last season before Covid and was a shell of himself after.
How much of that was covid, lineup changes , or the positioning of Cygnus the swan is a really a question.
He signed a 1 year contract which screams "show us what you can do" , at least to me.
I hope he has his best season yet and proves us all wrong
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
The Kings invested $15.95m in cap space on the team in additions or retentions, along with giving Petersen $15m for the next 3 years after this one. They're not hanging their season on Durzi, Spence, or Strand, just because Vancouver might have someone retire.

They're playing this season to beat Van for a playoff spot, not help the Canucks.
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This is a good point. We tend to look at trades in terms of value but most intra-conference and intra-division deals are done either in the off-season or around the trade deadline and usually see a player or player(s) going one way and picks/prospects the other, not a move just before the start of the season to give one a regular roster player. And the guy we'd be getting back (Dipietro) is a prospect but one more capable of coming up and filling in in case of injury than any goalie we go in the system right now including Sparks imo.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
The Kings invested $15.95m in cap space on the team in additions or retentions, along with giving Petersen $15m for the next 3 years after this one. They're not hanging their season on Durzi, Spence, or Strand, just because Vancouver might have someone retire.

They're playing this season to beat Van for a playoff spot, not help the Canucks.
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As many know, LA has too many players and Vancouver may have a need. The goal would be to help LA not Vancouver. It would be silly to trade for the purpose of helping a rival club. The question is more does LA have good enough depth to fill the spot vacated IF a roster player was to be traded. One could argue yes.
 
tbrown33 said:
strongly disagree...Lizotte tops out as a 4C whereas I still see Clague with middle pairing potential and has tangible offensive ability
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Clague has never demonstrated the maturity or determination to make the jump into the NHL on a team that desperately needs puck movement and production from his position. His only skill set is what the parent club is lacking, yet he was bypassed by two others in a spot that was made for him. He sulks after demotions instead of persevering. He has failed his tests thus far.

Lizotte came in right away and established an identity and trust through hard word and attention to detail. He earned his spot, even so much that he was given an opportunity above his projections. Clague has been given multiple chances yet has never convinced anyone of his ability.

There is simply more to the game than skill. If you don't have the proper mental approach to capitalize on your opportunities then you don't deserve an infinite number of chances.

Frankly, it is embarrassing that this even has to be discussed, its just not even remotely close.
 
bland said:
Clague has never demonstrated the maturity or determination to make the jump into the NHL on a team that desperately needs puck movement and production from his position. His only skill set is what the parent club is lacking, yet he was bypassed by two others in a spot that was made for him. He sulks after demotions instead of persevering. He has failed his tests thus far.

Lizotte came in right away and established an identity and trust through hard word and attention to detail. He earned his spot, even so much that he was given an opportunity above his projections. Clague has been given multiple chances yet has never convinced anyone of his ability.

There is simply more to the game than skill. If you don't have the proper mental approach to capitalize on your opportunities then you don't deserve an infinite number of chances.

Frankly, it is embarrassing that this even has to be discussed, its just not even remotely close.
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It's also much harder to crack a roster where there are 7 available spots vs 14.

I think it's a little ridiculous/dramatic to call it "embarrassing/not even remotely close." This is a message board where the current topic of convo is bubble players, which they both currently are. He hasn't had an "infinite number of chances." In fact right before he was going to get his first chance, Clague sustained a foot injury which wiped him out from his first call up. I thought Clague actually looked better than Lizotte ever did on the NHL squad at their respective positions last season. If everyone had Lizotte's motor and drive that would be awesome, but I don't think that necessarily makes Lizotte a very good hockey player. He's good at what he does and can be a versatile tool for your lineup, but Clague is the better hockey player imo. Lizotte is a good 4C, Clague I see as a bigger contributor with a higher ceiling. Personally, I think Clague should currently be in there over Bjornfot who has been fine but hasn't really shown much at the NHL level.
 
bland said:
Clague has never demonstrated the maturity or determination to make the jump into the NHL on a team that desperately needs puck movement and production from his position. His only skill set is what the parent club is lacking, yet he was bypassed by two others in a spot that was made for him. He sulks after demotions instead of persevering. He has failed his tests thus far.

Lizotte came in right away and established an identity and trust through hard word and attention to detail. He earned his spot, even so much that he was given an opportunity above his projections. Clague has been given multiple chances yet has never convinced anyone of his ability.

There is simply more to the game than skill. If you don't have the proper mental approach to capitalize on your opportunities then you don't deserve an infinite number of chances.

Frankly, it is embarrassing that this even has to be discussed, its just not even remotely close.
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Not that I disagree with you on who is more valuable, but to say someone is not even remotely close to a 4th line forward who very well could be on waivers in the next two weeks is equally embarrassing.
 
bland said:
Clague has never demonstrated the maturity or determination to make the jump into the NHL on a team that desperately needs puck movement and production from his position. His only skill set is what the parent club is lacking, yet he was bypassed by two others in a spot that was made for him. He sulks after demotions instead of persevering. He has failed his tests thus far.

Lizotte came in right away and established an identity and trust through hard word and attention to detail. He earned his spot, even so much that he was given an opportunity above his projections. Clague has been given multiple chances yet has never convinced anyone of his ability.

There is simply more to the game than skill. If you don't have the proper mental approach to capitalize on your opportunities then you don't deserve an infinite number of chances.

Frankly, it is embarrassing that this even has to be discussed, its just not even remotely close.
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One is a 4th line center who has a grand total of 9 goals in his career in 100+ games.
The other is a defenseman who's been up and down the minors.
Both 23 years old.
Both bypassed in the expansion draft.
Both bypassed, or soon to be, by better prospects.
I think the comparison is pretty fair. Frankly, both need to take big steps this year or they won't be in the NHL in a couple of years.
 
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