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Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
You got to take noted winner and top flight defender Douggie Hamilton over Doughty whenever you can hahaha.
Around the League Thread Part III: Free Agent Frenzy Hangover
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Theodore is a beast and has been an elite defenseman for a couple season, I'd definitely have him on my roster. He struggled the end of last season, but he's been a top offensive defenseman the last couple years. I'd run a Theodore/Pietrangelo pairing. Pietrangelo was ridiculous the second half of the season and in the playoffs.
As for Doughty, give me a break, how is this even a discussion. His peers still consider him a top 5 defensemen, he's won Gold a few times, has 2 Cups, and a Norris.
I was hoping for an NHL boycott for various reasons I won't get into but whatever, we all knew it was going to happen.
As for Doughty, give me a break, how is this even a discussion. His peers still consider him a top 5 defensemen, he's won Gold a few times, has 2 Cups, and a Norris.
I was hoping for an NHL boycott for various reasons I won't get into but whatever, we all knew it was going to happen.
Raccoon Jesus
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Theodore is awesome. Canada always has tough choices to make but people are always outraged by roster balance when it happens. You can't just roll out 6 Hamiltons which is what people are trying to do then pikachu-shocked.jpg when they choose a guy like Pietrangelo. My mistake was thinking people would start using advanced stats to help out defensive/two-way dmen but instead it's like they doubled down on OFD..."play is never tilted like when he's out there" yeah like no shit with 70% offensive zone starts and the softest competition imaginable you'd better believe a good OFD can make shots happen, give me a break. "the model accounts for that" no, it really doesn't when it regularly makes third pairing specialists better than first pairing tough comp minute munchers. etc
ibleedkings
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League shouldn’t be holding players hostage if they don’t get vaccinated. In case you don’t remember this is a free country.
Choralone
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I love Drew Doughty as much as the rest of this board, but it is a discussion and neither we nor Drew’s peers pick the rosters.
Public perception on Doughty is down and has been for a few seasons. He had down years in 18, 19, and then ticked back up last season. It has been a long time since Drew won those accolades.
Would I pick Drew for Canada? Yeah, but I’m biased and it’s still hard to squeeze him on there. He’s not popping up on much of any proposed rosters - I think Craig Button’s is the only one I’ve seen him on. But I wont be surprised if Drew comes out like a house on fire like last season. Just seems like he’s going to have to re-prove his worth based on how other dmen have emerged in the interim.
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1) the players aren't held hostage
2) if they aren't going to contribute to getting rid of the virus by getting a vaccine, they can contribute financially since they are now a higher risk for more expensive treatments
3) players are free not to get vaccinated. However, the NHL is free to treat them differently, as vaccination status isn't a protected group.
In case you don't remember.
Raccoon Jesus
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I think the public perception and team canada perception will be different.
Doughty was Norris caliber in 18, down in 19 and 20 and was back in the conversation halfway through last season. Team Canada never has put together a fantasy roster defense and they place pretty big emphasis on veterans/past performance at big events.
The difference between that and public perception is that a bunch of Erik Karlsson fanboys in the media had been waiting for a decade to take a crack at him and finally got their chance in 2019 so ever since then they've been publicly going at him as hard as they could, he could have a Norris season this year and would still be treated like trash.
Fortunately, the general public and half of the PHWA that are just internet trolls don't make the decisions. Remember how many tears were shed when they picked Carter over Giroux, only for Carter to lead Canada forwards in scoring and Doughty to lead the entire team in scoring?
Raccoon Jesus
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The PA is free to make some noise if the players agree with you.
However it's a private organization so they are free to make the rules they want and as an international business that shuttles 50+ public figures from city to city overnight all season they have determined the reward of keeping their business running overrides the risk of a minority of players jeopardizing their season.
It IS a free country and Rocky Thompson of the Sharks has already quit over it. Others are welcome to follow suit. That's freedom! If you don't like your employer, there's always the international leagues.
Yeah, the Doughty hate out there is kind of unreal and I don't totally get it. Some people act like he killed their dog...for whatever reason, fans of Canadian teams develop weird grudges (like Montreal fans hating on Kaliyev to this day for getting more ice time at the WJCs over Caufield, just absolutely brain-poisoned people).
But yeah at the end of the day it comes down to what Doug Armstrong and the Canadian Hockey Men think. Any other country Doughty would be a shoe-in, there are just a ton of amazing defensemen for Canada to choose from and I am just skeptical of Doughty being anywhere close to a lock on that roster. Really hope so though because there will not be a lot of Kings at the Olympics. And also just to witness the meltdown some people will assuredly have over it.
Jericho111091
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Cant wait for Doughty to make team Canada and do amazingly just for the same twits who think he sucks now to say something like "well he was only Canada's best defenseman because the rest of the team is so good"
Raccoon Jesus
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Even in 2014 those same people were arguing he was simply carried by a good team and his performance did nothing to prove he was any better than any other d-man, I've honestly given up on defending Doughty on this site and elsewhere for the most part because people are willfully ignorant.
Those people then point to 2019 as an example of how he can't elevate a bad team and ignore the idea that when the Kings are good they're good in large part because of Drew and similarly when they're bad it's the same thing. 2018 is emblematic of that, Kopitar and Doughty and Quick willed a no depth team to the playoffs. Hell they ignore he was great BEFORE the Cup teams, too, but when you point those things out they just ignore 11 years of excellence and focus on 1.5 years of crap (while simultaneously giving the other guy the full injury free passes for the last decade).
KingsFan7824
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It is Team Canada at the Olympics with NHL players. You could throw 15 quality names into a hat, pick 6, and Canada is likely going to be in the gold medal game. PK and Dzone starts don't really matter for Canada. Other than for 1 or 2 games, and of course those would be the games you're taking Doughty for.
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Raccoon Jesus
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Raccoon Jesus
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But that's the point. The ongoing criticism is that Doughty is just a passenger or something when really he led the team. And has done so on every team he's been on over the years.
Raccoon Jesus
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Never seen any team blatantly tank the way AZ is doing so this year. It's disgusting. can only hope the hockey gods smite their lottery ticket.
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Raccoon Jesus
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Kotkaniemi just went from emerging talent to '3rd liner' and dvorak from middle sixer to "1C' in one afternoon. I wish that worked in reverse, unfortuately Danault went from near-selke-level 40-50 point guy to castoff overpaid 3C overnight too. Crazy what that international border does to players
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It's possible i will feel differently when the Winter games have started and we have Country Vs. Country hockey. But right now, i have absolutely zero interest in this and (for various reasons I won't get into as well) really wish the NHL passed on stopping their season to join into these Winter games.
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