Around the League Thread Part III: Free Agent Frenzy Hangover

[ScoreZeGoals]

You don't see pettiness of that level among sports franchises every day, holy crap is that hilarious

 

[kingsfan28]

Aren't we (the Kings) the ones that started this?

Yes, but we never tried so hard to make it funny, that it wasn't. So many teams, especially Vegas have tried and failed badly.

 

[King'sPawn]

Really is a lose-lose for MTL honestly. They either lose face or overpay their guy. Is it SMART for Carolina probably not, but they obviously are comfortable enough to do it.

Now what's REALLY entertaining is watching the MTL fans pivoting from shitting on Danault to suggesting KK isn't good either

It's amazing how many people, including Kings fans, don't realize how good they have it until quality players are gone.

 

[kingsfan28]

definately in the hunt. I think the WIld , Rangers and Bruins are right there as well.

Bruins need an upgrade, their top center is 36 and they don't have a 2C. Coyle and Huala don't make a strong top 9.

The wild and rangers are the only ones with the cap space. The wild need a rebuild, and any deal would cost them several top assets and picks. Thats not how you do a rebuild. The other two teams would have to gut their teams to make him fit. I just can't see buffalo wanting to eat any of his salary to help a capped out team.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Really is a lose-lose for MTL honestly. They either lose face or overpay their guy. Is it SMART for Carolina probably not, but they obviously are comfortable enough to do it.

Now what's REALLY entertaining is watching the MTL fans pivoting from shitting on Danault to suggesting KK isn't good either

Revenge is...

 

[Reclamation Project]

It's amazing how many people, including Kings fans, don't realize how good they have it until quality players are gone.

Those first round picks...

 

[deeshamrock]

I wonder what the offer was...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There it is, DGB said it better than me



Honestly after the hundreds of bullshit posts we've had to endure since the Danault signing this is glorious to watch.

To the few great Canadiens fans who came over for good discussion, sorry guys, stinks to happen. To the rest...time to turn your attention to a different offseason tire fire

 

[kingsboy11]

What's the Habs center depth going to look like if they lose Kotkaniemi? They already lost Danault and if they lose Kotkaniemi its basically going to be Nick Suzuki and friends

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

They'll tell you Evans easily replaces Danault and I'm sure if KK goes some other prospect will be the chosen one

 

[DoktorJeep]

What's the Habs center depth going to look like if they lose Kotkaniemi? They already lost Danault and if they lose Kotkaniemi its basically going to be Nick Suzuki and friends

Rumor is they’ll take the first and third for KK and use that in a deal. They’ve been in on Eichel, so take what you will from that. Dvorak in Arizona was also mentioned as a target.

 

[Statto]

They may wind up with a late 1st and a 3rd for someone who was a third overall pick three years ago, and someone Habs fans thought would be one of their top two centers alongside Nick Suzuki.

He’s now apparently no more than a 3rd line C.

 

[Stimpythecat]

The Kings are Centers 'R Us. I'll trade a gently used Lizotte for that 1st.

 

[Statto]

Eh, would you trade Vilardi for a likely late 1st and a 3rd?

As far as $6.1, I don't think he will be worth it this year. But as it would be a minimum for a qualifying offer, he may be worth the contract in the future.

It's definitely a lousy situation. Either overpay for one year or underpay for the draft picks.

It’s an overpayment but if MTL walks away I’d bet he signs an extension quickly for a lower AAV. If that happens it’s a master stroke. If MTL match, as you say, they are stuck with a horrible QO each year.

If they do walk away it leaves Suzuki badly exposed in the middle, they could easily end up ruining him. This is why teams avoid offer sheets as the retaliation move is always gonna hurt.

 

[KINGS17]

What the hell is sports social media becoming? I clicked on that link and all it shows is a bunch of juvenile memes. Is this how teams are marketing their product now? Hundreds of employees, hundreds of millions of dollars, global brands, and it's all being marketed by some wanker that acts like a 13 year old child. So embarrassing.

Sadly, it is probably being marketed by a 21-year old wanker, and that is their level of intelligence.

 

[King'sPawn]

It’s an overpayment but if MTL walks away I’d bet he signs an extension quickly for a lower AAV. If that happens it’s a master stroke. If MTL match, as you say, they are stuck with a horrible QO each year.

For clarity, He can't sign for a lower AAV. If Montreal walks, he will be a player on Carolina and he'd make $6.1 million this year. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

The point is, he's stuck with a horrible QO each year until a team decides not to qualify him or he's free agency eligible. The question is will it be Carolina or Montreal.

 

[lumbergh]

The real point here is, don’t weaponize signing sheets if you’re a GM. It could come back to bite you in the ass. A former 3rd overall pick who has played legit NHL minutes in the playoffs is worth WAY more than a late first and third. Montreal is screwed either way. If Bergevin lets Kotkaniemi go, the team that made it to the finals is set way back. If he matches, then you’re overpaying your young player way too much. Either way the Canes are laughing their asses off.

 

[Mats26]

Kinda sitting back and enjoying Habs nation scramble with desperation from the offer sheet news. Doubt we see those Danault trolls in here for a while. Some of them were saying just a few weeks ago that they had so much cap space that Drouin was not a problem...well I warned a few of them that the cap is not friendly. Someone is going to pay KK 6.1 next year...wow. I hope this isn't an issue to sign our RFAs, right now none of them are even close to that cap.

 

[Reclamation Project]

There it is, DGB said it better than me



Honestly after the hundreds of bullshit posts we've had to endure since the Danault signing this is glorious to watch.

To the few great Canadiens fans who came over for good discussion, sorry guys, stinks to happen. To the rest...time to turn your attention to a different offseason tire fire

I didn't expect the Habs to make the playoffs this season but after losing Danault/reading his advanced stats and how he basically drives their 5 on 5 offense, I expect them to be much, much worse. Losing Danault and Weber is going to be massive.

 

[YP44]

the Hurricanes really are taking the bunch of jerks moniker to the limit. I love it

 

[Lt Dan]

the Hurricanes really are taking the bunch of jerks moniker to the limit. I love it

Makes me think of the Seinfeld episode
The Jerk Store called they are running out of.....

 

[KingsFan7824]

The real point here is, don’t weaponize signing sheets if you’re a GM. It could come back to bite you in the ass. A former 3rd overall pick who has played legit NHL minutes in the playoffs is worth WAY more than a late first and third. Montreal is screwed either way. If Bergevin lets Kotkaniemi go, the team that made it to the finals is set way back. If he matches, then you’re overpaying your young player way too much. Either way the Canes are laughing their asses off.

There's no point in doing an offer sheet if you're not going to go above what the player's current team is willing to do. The existence of the offer has to be weaponized by its nature.

If Carolina gets him, they're over the cap, out a 1st, and themselves now have a potentially overpaid young guy to deal with.

 

[Statto]

For clarity, He can't sign for a lower AAV. If Montreal walks, he will be a player on Carolina and he'd make $6.1 million this year. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

The point is, he's stuck with a horrible QO each year until a team decides not to qualify him or he's free agency eligible. The question is will it be Carolina or Montreal.

I get that, but the offer sheet is a one year deal (unless I heard wrong). That means he can immediately begin negotiating an extension to that deal. Whilst his QO would be 6+ he could negotiate a multi year deal at a lower AAV, with just next year playing him 6.1 . Sorry, I wasn’t clear. I don’t think it’s likely btw, but it would be funny.

 

[YP44]

There's no point in doing an offer sheet if you're not going to go above what the player's current team is willing to do. The existence of the offer has to be weaponized by its nature.

If Carolina gets him, they're over the cap, out a 1st, and themselves now have a potentially overpaid young guy to deal with.

they would just move/waive gardiner. Sounds like they actually want KK.
Like everything about this offer sheet.

 

[YP44]

What I hope happens is Montreal does not match. They then flip a first to Calgary for Monahan.
Calgary than uses their 2 first round picks to package with Tkachuk and a prospect for Eichel.