Around the League Thread | Marching to the Trade Deadline

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First off is the fact that it got to the point where Petey wants an offer sheet, he has to sign it remember meaning that is what he wants.
Next is because he accepted the offer sheet at all indicates a desire to be elsewhere.
So he gets a one or two year offer sheet, IMO a 2 year is worse but anyway, a one year offer of 16 million. Where do the Canucks get the money and then what about next year when he is a FA with no compensation? And even less if any trade leverage.
He has already indicated a desire to be elsewhere and if the Canucks matched they would have to decimate the team even more just for one or two years of keeping him.

Also that amount of money would cripple the team for years. A total rebuild immediately making the odds of Hronek, Hughes or Demko sticking around for another 7 years unlikely at best.

The price? The entire team, losing for another 10 years because there is still not enough depth or highly skilled prospects.

Whereas a trade ideas to say Columbus.
Voronkov, Marchenko and Chinakhov plus two 1rst's.
Buffalo;
Mittelstat, Cozens, Power and 1rst, not as good a Columbus but better.
1. Signing an offer sheet doesn't necessarily means he wants out. It means he want his contract demands met. Sebastian Aho basically said as much when he signed an OS from MTL, knowing CAR would match.

2. No one is signing Petey to a 1 year OS. It's idiotic. They'd pay 4 firsts with no guarantee of keeping the player long-term. AND per the CBA, you can't trade a player acquired by OS within a year, so you can't even recoup any assets if it doesn't go well. It's completely stupid. It's not happening.

3. You know what cripples a team? Losing a top-10 center. If you think this team is gonna contend by doing a Matthew Tkachuk 2.0 trade, I got a bridge to sell you. Top-end talent is what wins. If you don't have that, you might as well be rebuilding. Acquiring B-list assets from loser teams isn't going to build a winner.

You clearly did not think this through at all.
What team is offering a 1 year 16 million dollar contract and giving up 4 1sts to potentially rent Pettersson for a season?
Literally no one. 0% chance.

Didn’t take them long. There were a couple doomsayers here claiming that the Canucks gave up the better NHLer in the deal.
Kuz was a cap dump, plain and simple.
 
Holy crap. The Panthers have 4 former canucks in their line up. Forsling, OEL, Gadjovich and Lockwood.

Also Derrick Pouliot is still playing and currently on the Stars second pairing!

The Canucks and Panthers have always had a shared history in terms of ex-players. Some of our biggest trades have involved them (thanks Dale Tallon)
 
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Holy crap. The Panthers have 4 former canucks in their line up. Forsling, OEL, Gadjovich and Lockwood.

Also Derrick Pouliot is still playing and currently on the Stars second pairing!

Had to check this. It's unbelievably correct.

If there's a team that's going to add Tanev, wouldn't be surprised if it's the Stars.
 
Plus you have Evander Kane and his rape accusations/choking of females/COVID fraud and on and on.

Nurse punching someone in the head after every whistle.

Captain Crybaby.
You know, you can live with the raping and the female choking but that "COVID fraud" is really going too far.
 
I'm more shocked that Pouliot is only 30. Feels like he's been around forever.
Same draft as Lindholm (D), Trouba, Dumba, Reilly, etc in 2012. Probably because unlike these other guys, he's bounced around several teams, vs. like only 2 at most for the others.

Canucks got through their post All Star Break heavy schedule at 3-1-1 on their 5 game trip then 1-1 at home, then 0-3 on the road and then 1-0, before they finally got a 2 day break. 5-5-1 in these 11 games.

Since the SEA game, they will remain in the PST through the end of March, so plenty of time to rest/practice to get their game back in order.
 
1. Signing an offer sheet doesn't necessarily means he wants out. It means he want his contract demands met. Sebastian Aho basically said as much when he signed an OS from MTL, knowing CAR would match.

2. No one is signing Petey to a 1 year OS. It's idiotic. They'd pay 4 firsts with no guarantee of keeping the player long-term. AND per the CBA, you can't trade a player acquired by OS within a year, so you can't even recoup any assets if it doesn't go well. It's completely stupid. It's not happening.

3. You know what cripples a team? Losing a top-10 center. If you think this team is gonna contend by doing a Matthew Tkachuk 2.0 trade, I got a bridge to sell you. Top-end talent is what wins. If you don't have that, you might as well be rebuilding. Acquiring B-list assets from loser teams isn't going to build a winner.

You clearly did not think this through at all.

Literally no one. 0% chance.


Kuz was a cap dump, plain and simple.
1.
The offer sheet signing.
You really think Vancouver will not offer whatever he wants monetarily?
If he signs an offer sheet it is to force a trade for leaving simple as that.
I thought it through, after 4 years of hearing what Petey has said and wants it is clear, to play on a winner, to play for a cup and to wait and see what the Canucks are doing.
Are Vancouver building a winner or a team to fill the arena, they can be mutually the same but with the cap situation it is more likely Petey would just be a headliner to sell tickets rather then wins. Just like what happened with Rick Nash.

2.
A one year offer sheet would be NEGOTIATED between EP, his agent and whatever team.
A one year deal would be so he could re-sign the next contract for 8 years if he so chose to.
Negotiated means they would sell Petey on a plan. EP would be able to look at the team, see it's contract obligations, average age of the team and how many of the team are his age or younger and how the competitive that team has been, rising, falling or static. This is a fluke year by comparison to all teams in the league this year and unsustainable.

3.
Top ten center? EP has been on the team for 5 years, how is that winning streak going? Miller ditto, so two centers. And how many wins? Or wins vs loses?
So it appears having a top ten center(s) in the league is no guarantee of winning as demonstrated by the Canucks ..... what? Five times now?

Hey, last nights game EF said there have been some thoughts around the league about a possible Pettersson issue. Since Dahli reported the 8 year 12 million offered since July 15th there could be some blood in the water.

Combined with an older Rutherford slip about not talking about a Pettersson trade "at this time" so not to upset the team. This comment was 2 months ago.

At any rate your thought is sign Petey and have a winner? Hasn't worked so far and he was drafted almost 8 years ago. Now lets double his cap hit and lower the cap space at the same time.

Thought through? You bet I have. Sell when it isn't mandatory before it is necessary, while the team has the most leverage and time instead of just like Calgary and leave it to the last minute or sit on a decision until that decision is taken away from the team by time.

Maybe not right now but if the Canucks suddenly put Petey out there what do you think the response would be? Would they be ignored? Hardly, what they would get in return would make the return for Tkachuk look like a suggestion only, not even a starting point.

Undoubtedly Petey is a franchise player and they rarely if ever come up for trade talk.
For the Canucks to talk EP trade even now might get a staggering return beyond all recent trade deals this decade or longer.

If he continues to produce another 100 point season and maintains his increasing points per game and positive scoring numbers, +50 and Selke talk at 25 yrs old he might be the highest valued traded player.

What is the perfect team for EP to go to?

A team that has cap space, cap control and most of the players are in his age group. A team that has been closer than the Canucks year after year rather than an one hit wonder. A team most probably in the east where Pittsburgh, Washington, Tampa, Islanders and maybe Philly are in decline so teams like Columbus, Buffalo, Ottawa and even Montreal can fill the void.
The last couple of years Buffalo has been close.
Columbus looked to be getting there until this screwed up season.
Ottawa, Hamburgler again? Philly, that's Torts team, they play playoff games.

Then you have the western conference.
What if Arizona get a new arena and wants a "center" piece? What if they offered the Canucks 15 draft picks? Or more? They could offer up 20 draft picks over the next 3 years and still have more than 21 left after trades and a team with twice as many players EP's age and younger than the Canucks.
Rutherford has shown that one good off season can make a huge difference.
 
Looks like that Reilly suspension galvanized the Leafs...they are undefeated since the suspension, and have won their last 7 games.

I'm still predicting that they will be a better playoff team this season, than they've shown in past years.
 
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Plus you have Evander Kane and his rape accusations/choking of females/COVID fraud and on and on.

Nurse punching someone in the head after every whistle.

Captain Crybaby.
Please dont tell me you actually believe the testimony of his narcissistic wing nut ex wife Anna Kane..?..(Evander has a restraining against her).
 
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Please dont tell me you actually believe the testimony of his narcissistic wing nut ex wife Anna Kane..?..(Evander has a restraining against her).

No, the woman he choked at a night club in Buffalo and tried to force into his car, and the other woman in Buffalo who hospital staff thought had been violently sexually assaulted but who refused to press charges.

Some of the stuff from his ex-wife also has some credibility, although obviously not all of it.
 
1.
The offer sheet signing.
You really think Vancouver will not offer whatever he wants monetarily?
If he signs an offer sheet it is to force a trade for leaving simple as that.
I thought it through, after 4 years of hearing what Petey has said and wants it is clear, to play on a winner, to play for a cup and to wait and see what the Canucks are doing.
Are Vancouver building a winner or a team to fill the arena, they can be mutually the same but with the cap situation it is more likely Petey would just be a headliner to sell tickets rather then wins. Just like what happened with Rick Nash.

2.
A one year offer sheet would be NEGOTIATED between EP, his agent and whatever team.
A one year deal would be so he could re-sign the next contract for 8 years if he so chose to.
Negotiated means they would sell Petey on a plan. EP would be able to look at the team, see it's contract obligations, average age of the team and how many of the team are his age or younger and how the competitive that team has been, rising, falling or static. This is a fluke year by comparison to all teams in the league this year and unsustainable.

3.
Top ten center? EP has been on the team for 5 years, how is that winning streak going? Miller ditto, so two centers. And how many wins? Or wins vs loses?
So it appears having a top ten center(s) in the league is no guarantee of winning as demonstrated by the Canucks ..... what? Five times now?

Hey, last nights game EF said there have been some thoughts around the league about a possible Pettersson issue. Since Dahli reported the 8 year 12 million offered since July 15th there could be some blood in the water.

Combined with an older Rutherford slip about not talking about a Pettersson trade "at this time" so not to upset the team. This comment was 2 months ago.

At any rate your thought is sign Petey and have a winner? Hasn't worked so far and he was drafted almost 8 years ago. Now lets double his cap hit and lower the cap space at the same time.

Thought through? You bet I have. Sell when it isn't mandatory before it is necessary, while the team has the most leverage and time instead of just like Calgary and leave it to the last minute or sit on a decision until that decision is taken away from the team by time.

Maybe not right now but if the Canucks suddenly put Petey out there what do you think the response would be? Would they be ignored? Hardly, what they would get in return would make the return for Tkachuk look like a suggestion only, not even a starting point.

Undoubtedly Petey is a franchise player and they rarely if ever come up for trade talk.
For the Canucks to talk EP trade even now might get a staggering return beyond all recent trade deals this decade or longer.

If he continues to produce another 100 point season and maintains his increasing points per game and positive scoring numbers, +50 and Selke talk at 25 yrs old he might be the highest valued traded player.

What is the perfect team for EP to go to?

A team that has cap space, cap control and most of the players are in his age group. A team that has been closer than the Canucks year after year rather than an one hit wonder. A team most probably in the east where Pittsburgh, Washington, Tampa, Islanders and maybe Philly are in decline so teams like Columbus, Buffalo, Ottawa and even Montreal can fill the void.
The last couple of years Buffalo has been close.
Columbus looked to be getting there until this screwed up season.
Ottawa, Hamburgler again? Philly, that's Torts team, they play playoff games.

Then you have the western conference.
What if Arizona get a new arena and wants a "center" piece? What if they offered the Canucks 15 draft picks? Or more? They could offer up 20 draft picks over the next 3 years and still have more than 21 left after trades and a team with twice as many players EP's age and younger than the Canucks.
Rutherford has shown that one good off season can make a huge difference.

All of this is exactly what all reporters do, speculate with a bit of fear mongering because we actually don't know anything and when we don't know anything it's boring so we have to make stuff up.

As far as Rutherford goes you can take that one of two ways, you can take that as just honesty as he is accepting the fact that if it does go down to the end and he's not signed then a trade is an option on the table. Or he is just throwing that out there to f*** with all these nimwits that like to write shit and make stuff up.

No, the woman he choked at a night club in Buffalo and tried to force into his car, and the other woman in Buffalo who hospital staff thought had been violently sexually assaulted but who refused to press charges.

Some of the stuff from his ex-wife also has some credibility, although obviously not all of it.
Likely didn't know about the thing in Buffalo
 
All of this is exactly what all reporters do, speculate with a bit of fear mongering because we actually don't know anything and when we don't know anything it's boring so we have to make stuff up.
Good lord man do you put on ear muffs when Pettersson talks? Or intentionally refuse to believe what he says?
There is no media fear mongering if anything it has been the opposite so they have stories to talk about and speculation about him signing.
It is Pettersson's comments that squash those stories and so they are hardly ever mentioned.
For two contracts he has said the same thing. It isn't new or a just being pissed off once.
Even being offer 12+ mil he goes on the boat in Sweden with Friedman, who BTW kept the offer hush hush, to say he wants to wait and see where the team is going. GOING not where they are AT. Three times at three different year at least.
Dahli breaks the news of the SUMMER offer or 12+ million and then Friedman talks about the interest in the league about what is going on with Pettersson as the LEAGUE has interest in a possible deal.

The old sayings, where there is smoke there is fire. And there is blood in the water.

I guess you ignored Rutherford's statements about how he will have to do thing fans will not like BUT knowledgeable fans will understand why. So far nothing like that. He also said a rebuild would take too long. He didn't say a big trade would curtail that.

Allvin said this franchise, it's fans deserved playoff games, he delivered but like the covid year, the team cannot be kept intact or improved upon due to the cap.
Needing raises;
Pettersson
Lindholm
Joshua
Blueger
Lafferty

ALL but two NHL defencemen, Hughes and Soucy
Hronek
Zadorov
Cole
Myers, not a raise but re-sign at a lesser amount

And 35 mil for all. Over 20 mil for EP and FH leaving 15 mil for the other 7 players which only 2 made less than 2 million last year so they can't all be signed.

Leaving any of the current team's defence off next year's team handcuffs them from the playoffs guaranteed. There are no cheap replacements.
 
Good lord man do you put on ear muffs when Pettersson talks? Or intentionally refuse to believe what he says?
There is no media fear mongering if anything it has been the opposite so they have stories to talk about and speculation about him signing.
It is Pettersson's comments that squash those stories and so they are hardly ever mentioned.
For two contracts he has said the same thing. It isn't new or a just being pissed off once.
Even being offer 12+ mil he goes on the boat in Sweden with Friedman, who BTW kept the offer hush hush, to say he wants to wait and see where the team is going. GOING not where they are AT. Three times at three different year at least.
Dahli breaks the news of the SUMMER offer or 12+ million and then Friedman talks about the interest in the league about what is going on with Pettersson as the LEAGUE has interest in a possible deal.

The old sayings, where there is smoke there is fire. And there is blood in the water.

I guess you ignored Rutherford's statements about how he will have to do thing fans will not like BUT knowledgeable fans will understand why. So far nothing like that. He also said a rebuild would take too long. He didn't say a big trade would curtail that.

Allvin said this franchise, it's fans deserved playoff games, he delivered but like the covid year, the team cannot be kept intact or improved upon due to the cap.
Needing raises;
Pettersson
Lindholm
Joshua
Blueger
Lafferty

ALL but two NHL defencemen, Hughes and Soucy
Hronek
Zadorov
Cole
Myers, not a raise but re-sign at a lesser amount

And 35 mil for all. Over 20 mil for EP and FH leaving 15 mil for the other 7 players which only 2 made less than 2 million last year so they can't all be signed.

Leaving any of the current team's defence off next year's team handcuffs them from the playoffs guaranteed. There are no cheap replacements.
But see.. this doesnt actually say anything.. nor do i know what you are trying to say
 
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1.
The offer sheet signing.
You really think Vancouver will not offer whatever he wants monetarily?
If he signs an offer sheet it is to force a trade for leaving simple as that.
I thought it through, after 4 years of hearing what Petey has said and wants it is clear, to play on a winner, to play for a cup and to wait and see what the Canucks are doing.
Are Vancouver building a winner or a team to fill the arena, they can be mutually the same but with the cap situation it is more likely Petey would just be a headliner to sell tickets rather then wins. Just like what happened with Rick Nash.

2.
A one year offer sheet would be NEGOTIATED between EP, his agent and whatever team.
A one year deal would be so he could re-sign the next contract for 8 years if he so chose to.
Negotiated means they would sell Petey on a plan. EP would be able to look at the team, see it's contract obligations, average age of the team and how many of the team are his age or younger and how the competitive that team has been, rising, falling or static. This is a fluke year by comparison to all teams in the league this year and unsustainable.

3.
Top ten center? EP has been on the team for 5 years, how is that winning streak going? Miller ditto, so two centers. And how many wins? Or wins vs loses?
So it appears having a top ten center(s) in the league is no guarantee of winning as demonstrated by the Canucks ..... what? Five times now?

Hey, last nights game EF said there have been some thoughts around the league about a possible Pettersson issue. Since Dahli reported the 8 year 12 million offered since July 15th there could be some blood in the water.

Combined with an older Rutherford slip about not talking about a Pettersson trade "at this time" so not to upset the team. This comment was 2 months ago.

At any rate your thought is sign Petey and have a winner? Hasn't worked so far and he was drafted almost 8 years ago. Now lets double his cap hit and lower the cap space at the same time.

Thought through? You bet I have. Sell when it isn't mandatory before it is necessary, while the team has the most leverage and time instead of just like Calgary and leave it to the last minute or sit on a decision until that decision is taken away from the team by time.

Maybe not right now but if the Canucks suddenly put Petey out there what do you think the response would be? Would they be ignored? Hardly, what they would get in return would make the return for Tkachuk look like a suggestion only, not even a starting point.

Undoubtedly Petey is a franchise player and they rarely if ever come up for trade talk.
For the Canucks to talk EP trade even now might get a staggering return beyond all recent trade deals this decade or longer.

If he continues to produce another 100 point season and maintains his increasing points per game and positive scoring numbers, +50 and Selke talk at 25 yrs old he might be the highest valued traded player.

What is the perfect team for EP to go to?

A team that has cap space, cap control and most of the players are in his age group. A team that has been closer than the Canucks year after year rather than an one hit wonder. A team most probably in the east where Pittsburgh, Washington, Tampa, Islanders and maybe Philly are in decline so teams like Columbus, Buffalo, Ottawa and even Montreal can fill the void.
The last couple of years Buffalo has been close.
Columbus looked to be getting there until this screwed up season.
Ottawa, Hamburgler again? Philly, that's Torts team, they play playoff games.

Then you have the western conference.
What if Arizona get a new arena and wants a "center" piece? What if they offered the Canucks 15 draft picks? Or more? They could offer up 20 draft picks over the next 3 years and still have more than 21 left after trades and a team with twice as many players EP's age and younger than the Canucks.
Rutherford has shown that one good off season can make a huge difference.
Your wall of text isn't convincing anyone. You're out to lunch dude.

If Petey is adamant about not re-signing in VAN, so be it, Allvin will have to trade him. That is not preferable in any way and will make the team worse. Full stop. But this convoluted OS scheme you've concocted is never going to happen. Just accept it.

The team is a contender right now. Trading Petey for other loser teams' tradeable pieces won't maintain the Canucks' current level. If they have to trade Petey, they're pretty much forced into a rebuild/retool. And now you're just throwing out nonsensical trade proposals. 20 draft picks from ARI!!!!. Like, c'mon dude.

And yes, Petey is a top-10 center. If you want to be wrong about this, you can be. The recent ESPN poll of players and NHL execs voted Petey...#10. Not that I would take that as infallible, but there is a clear consensus around this.

You're wrong. Just compose yourself and move on.
 
Unrelated, but I had a similar thought about Matty Beniers the other night. He’s the oldest looking young dude I’ve seen recently. He looks like a forty five year old accountant.
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Drysdale hurt again, left shoulder issue.
Verbeek crushed that deal the instant it was signed, what do you expect with jones and briere though..
 
Should be the Hart winner. Dragging this TB team to the playoffs.
With Vasi out for the first 1/4-1/3 of the season, plus Serg going down around the ASG, amazing that they are still in the race.

East race, starting to see the separation of the 6-8 spots from the 9-12 spots. TB with a huge win today vs NJ to up it to a 7 point lead over NJ. NJ had a chance to cut it down to 3 points with 2 games in hand and didn't get it down.

TB - 69 points in 60 games
Det - 68 points in 57 games
Phi - 67 points in 59 games

Pit would need to win all 4 games in hand on Phi to pass them in the standings. But, probably not realistic for them to expect to win all their games in hand.

Internally for Pit, NYI, NJ, Was do they say to themselves, if we are not within X points by March 5/6 that we need to hammer the phones to move the UFAs to be.
 
Drysdale hurt again, left shoulder issue.
Verbeek crushed that deal the instant it was signed, what do you expect with jones and briere though..
I do not have much confidence in the Flyers management:
  1. They have several assets they ought to trade—but it sounds like they are asking for astronomical returns that may leave them with nothing.
  2. But… they seem like they may be prone to galaxy-braining their own pro-scouting.
 
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