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I'd be surprised if Trouba lasts the year in Anaheim.....it might involve taking back some salary, but I could easily see him being moved again at the TDL.

Otherwise what's the point of taking on Trouba's full salary for the next two seasons on a team that has zero playoff aspirations this year, and probably even into next year?
 
The Trouba deal will be an excellent deal for Anaheim who had way too many young D getting ventilated on a nightly basis.

Trouba is still a solid top-4 leverage D even if he's overpaid. The real cash he's owed ($6 million/year) is also more in line with his performances.

Rebuilding teams need players like this to get out of the rebuild and when you're way below the cap the hit doesn't really matter. It's crazy that Chicago in particular didn't beat this deal.
 
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VanJack said:
I'd be surprised if Trouba lasts the year in Anaheim.....it might involve taking back some salary, but I could easily see him being moved again at the TDL.

Otherwise what's the point of taking on Trouba's full salary for the next two seasons on a team that has zero playoff aspirations this year, and probably even into next year?
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Ducks are trying to get better and be a playoff team, they are not in the be shit get high draft pick stage, they are at the, we are trying to get out of the bottom but still suck stage.
 
MS said:
The Trouba deal will be an excellent deal for Anaheim who had way too many young D getting ventilated on a nightly basis.

Trouba is still a solid top-4 leverage D even if he's overpaid. The real cash he's owed ($6 million/year) is also more in line with his performances.

Rebuilding teams need players like this to get out of the rebuild and when you're way below the cap the hit doesn't really matter. It's crazy that Chicago in particular didn't beat this deal.
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I don’t hate it for the Ducks but, like with Briere and taking on Petersen’s contract, I feel they should have been able to extract more value.

Trouba is a good example of how contacts are more important than the player. His contract is horrible for the Rangers and prevented them from doing anything to improve the club. For the Ducks, there’s value.
 
Vector said:
I don’t hate it for the Ducks but, like with Briere and taking on Petersen’s contract, I feel they should have been able to extract more value.

Trouba is a good example of how contacts are more important than the player. His contract is horrible for the Rangers and prevented them from doing anything to improve the club. For the Ducks, there’s value.
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Sounds like multiple teams wanted him and Columbus had already outbid the Ducks until he blocked the trade. This wasn't a case where the Rangers were going to end up paying to get rid of him. There was no more value to extract.

Trouba is a leverage top-4 D, a long-term NHL captain, and is only 30 years old. They needed another veteran RHD to play with their young LHD trio of Mintyukov/Lacombe/Zellweger and he's a perfect fit there on a team well below the cap.

They'll now use his services for a year, retain 50% at next year's deadline, and get a haul for him at that point.

Fans are in love with the deals where you get a 2nd round pick for taking a 'bad contract' but even though this contract was a bad contract for NYR and what they were trying to do, it wasn't a bad contract for rebuilding teams who are desperate to get this type of veteran asset on a short term deal. The fact that the real $ value was substantially less than the cap hit also played into why he still had value.

Nick Foligno is on $4.5 million/year with Chicago at age 37 for the exact same reason.
 
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MS said:
The Trouba deal will be an excellent deal for Anaheim who had way too many young D getting ventilated on a nightly basis.

Trouba is still a solid top-4 leverage D even if he's overpaid. The real cash he's owed ($6 million/year) is also more in line with his performances.

Rebuilding teams need players like this to get out of the rebuild and when you're way below the cap the hit doesn't really matter. It's crazy that Chicago in particular didn't beat this deal.
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chicago might have been hoping to grab him off waivers which was not a bad gamble given his ntc.

i don't think he would have survived the crazy fanbase in the montreal market expecting more of him but all the other bottom feeders could have used him. he makes all of them a better team on the ice.

on the numbers he's a 4d who can play bigger minutes if need be in a losing cause, but the numbers don't account for physicality and leadership. he is a decent pk'er. he can fight. he is a rhd.

ducks are paying at most $2m over market in cap for all that. cbj is paying gudbranson $4m to be a less good trouba in all respects.
 
Trouba w retention to somebody like Dallas at the TDL will fetch a good haul.

Hell if we could swap him (retained) for Myers I’d do that.

He’s still a very solid 2nd pairing defender and plays the game in a way where all forwards are checking the middle of the ice before the skate up it. You can’t put a price on that type of player in the playoffs.

Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Touba

Is a very nice top 4
 
VanJack said:
I'd be surprised if Trouba lasts the year in Anaheim.....it might involve taking back some salary, but I could easily see him being moved again at the TDL.

Otherwise what's the point of taking on Trouba's full salary for the next two seasons on a team that has zero playoff aspirations this year, and probably even into next year?
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the goal is to develop the kids. IMO they are past the stacking assets portion of the rebuild. 10 firsts and like 9 seconds over the 6 drafts of missing the PO. They need to start getting their kids better and turning the corner. They have Zegras, MacTavish, Carlsson, Gauthier, Zelleweger, LaCombe, and Mintyukov as their kids. Pre missing PO draft picks left are Dostal and Lundstrom and older Fowler.

Whether PV gets guys who take on harder minutes or are used to play with the kids, his goal has to be to put the kids in a position to grow and succeed.

if adding salary/cap was a no no for rebuilding clubs without taking on assets to do so, then Ana should not have signed Killorn, Gudas. If the reports are correct and Trouba had his choice of a couple of destinations, then Ana offer must be in line with the others that NYR would accept, otherwise, they would waive him and based on their conversations with other clubs, sounds like one of those teams would have claimed him.
 
Michkov continues to make every team who didn’t select him (other than Chicago) look stupid.

Especially MTL.

Imagine MTL having Michkov and Demidov?
 
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MS said:
Fans are in love with the deals where you get a 2nd round pick for taking a 'bad contract' but even though this contract was a bad contract for NYR and what they were trying to do, it wasn't a bad contract for rebuilding teams who are desperate to get this type of veteran asset on a short term deal. The fact that the real $ value was substantially less than the cap hit also played into why he still had value.

Nick Foligno is on $4.5 million/year with Chicago at age 37 for the exact same reason.
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It's also very hard to get short term deals in the UFA market. I saw Ducks fans moaning about JGP's age when Killorn was within a year of the age JPG's deal would age when he signed his 4 year $25 mill deal. Probably a better move to give up a mid round pick to get vets with 2 years left. Likely to recoup a pick 1-2 rounds higher in the final year of their deal.

It's not a move that will make Ana a PO team. That's going to depend on a couple of kids taking a big time step and/or adding something significant to the roster.

Ana rebuild is going to likely go 8 years between PO. This is year 7 and it's trending as another non PO year.
 
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You can’t tell me that Tyson Kozak isn’t some amalgamation of a bunch of other players.
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an m. tyson/m. bison situation?

Jerry the great said:
I disagree. Brady's ceiling is made of glass. You cannot stop him from getting to the areas on the ice that are extremely hard to get to in the post season and he has the hands to finish. he's a multiple 50g season guy in his prime and once you sand the rough edges off, he's going to be a heart trophy winner. Obviously Travis Green isn't going to get the most out of him, but Tocchet could.
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not touching the petey/brady argument, but you are not using the glass ceiling metaphor correctly here

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Like the move for Trouba for Anaheim. In 1 yrs time they should have a really good trade commodity and in the meantime it helps their young LD. Might even be a re sign at a reasonable dollar if both parties are happy with how it works out.
This running at Verbeek and Trouba has been a bit odd to me. MS said it perfectly from the Ducks perspective and value relative to market.

And Miller Trouba has been a big reason for the Rangers success. Elite goaltending + elite PP QB in Fox + excellent top group of forwards that have been excellent on the PP then being able to throw out Miller Trouba as a shut down pair against top lines has had them at the top of the NHL for awhile now.

The Rangers have a cheap quality replacement (Schneider) on a team trying to find ways to shake up a roster get cap space and pay for raises. Things have gotten stale they are getting older and now they can keep players and it offers some flexibility.

Good deal all around
 
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MS said:
The Trouba deal will be an excellent deal for Anaheim who had way too many young D getting ventilated on a nightly basis.

Trouba is still a solid top-4 leverage D even if he's overpaid. The real cash he's owed ($6 million/year) is also more in line with his performances.

Rebuilding teams need players like this to get out of the rebuild and when you're way below the cap the hit doesn't really matter. It's crazy that Chicago in particular didn't beat this deal.
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Gudas, Fowler, Dumoulin and now Trouba. Mintyukov plays a pretty solid game and Zellweger is a really good offensive d-man. The Ducks aren't getting ventilated defensively.and theyre not really too young on the blueline. They can't score goals is their problem

This was a really dumb target for them. I'm all for these young lottery teams doing things to improve their roster I'm just not seeing the vision with Trouba.
 
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Gudas, Fowler, Dumoulin and now Trouba. Mintyukov plays a pretty solid game and Zellweger is a really good offensive d-man. The Ducks aren't getting ventilated defensively.and theyre not really too young on the blueline. They can't score goals is their problem

This was a really dumb target for them. I'm all for these young lottery teams doing things to improve their roster I'm just not seeing the vision with Trouba.
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You improve the team 1 player at a time, this cost the Ducks nothing but cap and they have a ton of cap.
 
Feel sorry for Dean. He got fired from Minny because he asked for a goalie that could make a save and ended up in Columbus with the same issue.
 
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Michkov continues to make every team who didn’t select him (other than Chicago) look stupid.

Especially MTL.

Imagine MTL having Michkov and Demidov?
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wasnt he telling teams he wouldn't report to them. not really a fair comp if that is actually the case. most pre-draft ranking had him as a top 3 player.
 
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Elliotte Friedman is looking very spiffy and professional on HNIC tonight. I'm so used to seeing the disheveled look on Donnie & Dahli.
 
Watching the Oilers game and I'm reminded how objective Shorthouse calls the game. The play by play guy is gushing over routine Skinner saves in a way we just don't get. Honestly would be nice to get a bit more of a homer broadcast, love Shorthouse though.
 
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