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If NY is serious, they're probably dangling Lafreniere.+
they think they're serious but they're not. they're leaking to Brooks all the players they want hoping something shakes loose.

GMs must be pissed. Wouldn't be surprised if Rutherford shanks him somewhere after the stunt with JT.
 
I just saw the Trouba deal and am now convinced even more a decent amount of people posting on this forum would be better GMs than some actual GMs.

It just doesn't make any sense why Anaheim helps New York for essentially nothing.
 
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I just saw the Trouba deal and am now convinced even more a decent amount of people posting on this forum would be better GMs than some actual GMs.

It just doesn't make any sense why Anaheim helps New York for essentially nothing.
Look on the bright side:

A pacific division team weakened their cap situation and gained no assets for it.

Less competition for us down the line.

This single move doesn't stop Anaheim from becoming a good team, but it certainly slows them down.
 
Bouchard is a modern Larry Murphy. Flawed but absolutely a top-pairing defender. I was blown away at times in the Oilers' run last year with his ability to adjust to plays and set the table for his forwards.
Look man, they drop "frauds" all the time on our Canucks so no, not taking my word back. agree to disagree.

I just saw the Trouba deal and am now convinced even more a decent amount of people posting on this forum would be better GMs than some actual GMs.

It just doesn't make any sense why Anaheim helps New York for essentially nothing.
not really. If there were no teams interested, not much will come of it, plus a terrible contract attached to him. He's not that good anymore.
 
I just saw the Trouba deal and am now convinced even more a decent amount of people posting on this forum would be better GMs than some actual GMs.

It just doesn't make any sense why Anaheim helps New York for essentially nothing.
Ana looking at it from just their own POV. When you are a losing team, hard to convince players to sign and play for you. Killorn, Gudas, Strome were free agents while Fabbri, Dum, came via trade.

PV believes Trouba can help the club in this turnaround phase they are in. Option to get him for basically nothing or not have him from the sounds of things. Decided he'd rather get him.

PV is closing in on 3 full years with Ana. Sold off the UFAs to be in 2022. Kept a bad HC in Eakins and was last in the Bedard year. Didn't win the lottery. Hired Cronin as a new HC last season and finsihed 3rd worst.
 
I just saw the Trouba deal and am now convinced even more a decent amount of people posting on this forum would be better GMs than some actual GMs.

It just doesn't make any sense why Anaheim helps New York for essentially nothing.
They're willing to roll the dice to incubate the asset until they can flip it for more than they paid.

When Montreal did it with Monahan, they got paid a 1st up front to take on his deal (only had a year left on it) and eventually harvested another first when they traded him to Winnipeg. In order to get that 1st out of Winnipeg, they signed him to a one year extension, because he got hurt - AGAIN - half way through his first year in Montreal.

In this case Anaheim is paying to play "flip that defender" and it may not be a lot, but it's something. Trouba has not been playing well at all over the last two seasons, but I would say there is at least the possibility it was out of spite. Drury has not been shy about telling people (including Trouba) he wanted to trade him. If the Ducks stop sucking and Trouba does too, they can probably get something decent for him at the 2026 trade deadline if they retain 50%. It was a great deal for NY though. they got what they needed and it didn't cost them a cent asset wise.
 
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So Shesterkin signs an eight year deal for $11.5m season. The worry here is what Demko and his agent are going to demand when his contract is 'up' at the end of next season? The Canucks couldn't afford to pay him 60-70 percent of what Shesterkin is earning.

Then there's the issue of whether any goalie is worth $8-11m in annual salary. Historically, the answer has been a loud and affirmative 'no'.

It'll be fascinating to monitor the Demko situation in Vancouver as it unfolds.
 
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So Shesterkin signs an eight year deal for $11.5m season. The worry here is what Demko and his agent are going to demand when his contract is 'up' at the end of next season? The Canucks couldn't afford to pay him 60-70 percent of what Shesterkin is earning.

Then there's the issue of whether any goalie is worth $8-11m in annual salary. Historically, the answer has been a loud and affirmative 'no'.

It'll be fascinating to monitor the Demko situation in Vancouver as it unfolds.

Unless Demko goes on a Vezina tear next season, he has nowhere close to the bargaining position to demand even close to what Shesterkin got. At best, he'll be in the 7-8M range due to his injury concerns.

If anything, he'll want term far more than maximizing his dollar amount. And I suspect a lot of teams would be afraid to offer him 6-7 years considering how long he's missed.
 
Liability at his price tag.
6 points in 24 games mostly as a 2nd paring dman. doesnt play on the Powerplay. physical dman, I think too much work would have been needed if we were to trade for trouba. Also its unlikely hes waving to come to any Canadian cities.
 
Liability at his price tag.
The way he's been playing, that's absolutely true and why he makes no sense for a contending team. But Anaheim sucks and have more cap space than they can monetize, so why not take a punt on a rehab project. It's hard to put everything you have into the game, so when the team has made it clear that they don't want you around anymore and are actively trying to trade you, maybe you take your foot off the gas a bit. Look at what a little motivation did for OEL's game. My first reaction was "get the crack pipe out of your mouth Verbeek", but i can sort of see why they'd do it.
 
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skill differential? what do you even mean? How do you measure it.....or attempt to? Tkachuck is absolutely not lacking in the skill department. The early knock on his was skating and he's improved considerably since breaking into the league. Pettersson is trending in the other direction.

over the last 3 season, Tkachuk has taken 2x as many high danger shots and has, as a result scored more goals (85 vs 80). Maybe you can explain why goals and high danger shot generation should be considered secondary traits? It's not like the team with the most "slick dekes" wins the game.

As far as who's the better defensive player, it's hardly clear cut IMO. Brady's +/- is not great, but his - team leading - shot attempt differential is miles better (+654 vs +152).

It isn't like he's some knuckle dragging unskilled crash and bang winger we're talking about, he has high end offensive skills in addition to the physical game. kind of like if JT Miller was the same size as Tom Wilson.


Well, one way to measure the difference in skill is actual output: points (edit: over the larger sample). Pettersson is the more skilled player. Aside from the measurement of points, we can talk about 'slick dekes', vision, offensive IQ, passing ability etc... The traits that are visually apparent before they bear themselves out in production, but I think you have already acknowledged this by calling it sick dekes...

It's not to say BT is unskilled. He's just not as skilled by comparison. They're different players in this specific way.

Pettersson has trended in the other direction, but unless he forgets how to play, that skill is there. That's what I would bank on in this case, not the recent trend. You are free to disagree and I respect your position as a fair one. A lot of people would favour BT.
 
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Paid nothing really. Just used their available cap space. Mint, Zell, Lacombe are all lefties. So, I get adding a veteran on the Right Side.

Is Trouba for 1.65 years at $6 mill real money but $8 mill cap hit better than going to market and paying the equivalent of the a Dman that would cost something close to the $25 mill they gave Killorn at 32 to play for them?

Exactly, Trouba for practically free, with the caveat of cap space being irrelevant, is objectively a good deal for Anaheim.

More so if they flip him with retention, but even if they keep Trouba they can still trade fowler etc for better assets than they gave up.

It's a win win. It sucks to let NYR off the hook so easily, but Trouba had value, anyone thinking otherwise was incorrect. Wasn't much value but value nonetheless and fans trying to claim some kind of victory or intellectual superiority is disconnected from reality.
 
Ana needs to start getting better for the growth and development of their youngsters.
Ana has had 10 first rounders and like 9 second rounders in the 6 drafts since missing the playoffs. I don’t think the main draw of Trouba is the thought of flipping him. They still might come 26 TDL.

Goal has to be to get the team turned around. I don’t expect Ana to make the PO this season and barring major jumps by their kids and adding something else they aren’t going to make the PO in 26 either. But need to improve.
 
Again -- when they move Gibson and Fowler, even with full retention, they will still have too much cap space to effectively use or exchange for assets unless they sign 2-3 premier free agents.
"Again?"

Not sure what you're referring to there.

If you're suggesting that the Ducks "might as well" have traded for Trouba since they will have more cap space than they know what to do with...

I disagree.

Because they could've demanded that the Rangers attach picks or assets to the trade, and they didn't.

They got fleeced.
 
So Shesterkin signs an eight year deal for $11.5m season. The worry here is what Demko and his agent are going to demand when his contract is 'up' at the end of next season? The Canucks couldn't afford to pay him 60-70 percent of what Shesterkin is earning.

Then there's the issue of whether any goalie is worth $8-11m in annual salary. Historically, the answer has been a loud and affirmative 'no'.

It'll be fascinating to monitor the Demko situation in Vancouver as it unfolds.


Demko is never going to command those dollars. He can't physically play 40+ game between the knee and hip injuries he's had. Playing 51 games last season was a big part of his downfall.

No reason for the Canucks not to split the starts evenly between Demko/Lankinen. Ullmark/Swayman is the upper limit for Demko (5-6 year range in term). Ullmark has a Vezina and Demko doesn't.
 
The reason Anaheim is dumb because they valued the player in the first place.

There was no universe where they could have gotten sweeteners because they were bidding against the waiver wire, and the waiver wire was offering to take the contract from the Rangers hands free of charge.
 
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