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arttk said:
haha that made me chuckle
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If you don't think the team is a contender, that's fine, I don't fully disagree, but certainly the aim is to be competitive, otherwise they would be selling players instead of looking to trade futures.

Whether or not it works out is irrelevant, they are definitely aiming to compete.
 
VanillaCoke said:
Wait to see what verbeek does with Trouba and the ducks D core before being too judgemental on this particular deal, not like he paid a massive price.
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i think he probably could have done better but vaakanainen wasn't playing for them and a 4th is basically nothing. they'll probably retain on trouba and flip him for real assets either this deadline or next and i wouldn't be surprised if they got much more than they gave up given how gms value players like trouba at the deadline
 
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Perhaps adding a another immovable contr.. object on the backend for almost two full seasons is good for a young team, especially when it was for basically scraps. Sometimes a GM can choose not to be cutthroat and not piss off the other franchise.
 
credulous said:
i think he probably could have done better but vaakanainen wasn't playing for them and a 4th is basically nothing. they'll probably retain on trouba and flip him for real assets either this deadline or next and i wouldn't be surprised if they got much more than they gave up given how gms value players like trouba at the deadline
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Ana probably past the asset collection phase. Need to turn the corner. Don't expect them to flip him at this TDL. This would be year 7 out of the PO for them if they miss.
 
Bleach Clean said:
The probability that Tkachuk is able to match or exceed Pettersson's ceiling are low, imo.

If I'm dealing skill for robustness, I want to be sure Pettersson can't return to form here first.
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I disagree. Brady's ceiling is made of glass. You cannot stop him from getting to the areas on the ice that are extremely hard to get to in the post season and he has the hands to finish. he's a multiple 50g season guy in his prime and once you sand the rough edges off, he's going to be a heart trophy winner. Obviously Travis Green isn't going to get the most out of him, but Tocchet could.
 
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Rowlet said:
It's really not worth continuing, the team won't be moving Pettersson, and they can't realistically acquire Tkachuk for futures from a team who needs to stop rebuilding and add players.
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Only reason Ott moves Brady is because he wants out as he gets a NMC come July 1. So, if they don't get a confirmation that he's all in with them, best to move on as you don't want to turn complete control over to him in the summer for trade.

As for petey, what Ott would gain is 3 extra years of term. Not sure what Ott is going to do. But, not shocked that the team isn't doing great under Green. Felt Ott needed something better at HC.
 
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I would have loved Trouba 5 years ago. Hard to believe how bad he's declined since coming to New York.
 
Jerry the great said:
I disagree. Brady's ceiling is made of glass. You cannot stop him from getting to the areas on the ice that are extremely hard to get to in the post season and he has the hands to finish. he's a multiple 50g season guy in his prime and once you sand the rough edges off, he's going to be a heart trophy winner. Obviously Travis Green isn't going to get the most out of him, but Tocchet could.
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The skill differential between the two is apparent. It is so clear that the argument for BT would have to be the traits offered outside of skill to make it a debate. Example, isolate goals and tough area work at the cost of overall production.

It's fine to prefer those secondary traits. I just would not trade EP's skill to get them.

Also, I think EP plays (innately) a more valuable position and is better defensively.
 
VanillaCoke said:
Wait to see what verbeek does with Trouba and the ducks D core before being too judgemental on this particular deal, not like he paid a massive price.
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Yep. If I'm Verbeek, I'm turning around and asking for at least a 1st for Trouba + 50% salary retained. More if there's a cap dump coming the other way.
 
Wisp said:
Verbeek isn't looking so hot. The Tajplan is in shambles @Vector
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It's odd seeing the Canucks manipulate the cap at such a high level just to see VGK and NYR clear swathes of cap space with ease. Luck and GM incompetence plays such a large role in the efficiency of the league.
 
Rowlet said:
If you don't think the team is a contender, that's fine, I don't fully disagree, but certainly the aim is to be competitive, otherwise they would be selling players instead of looking to trade futures.

Whether or not it works out is irrelevant, they are definitely aiming to compete.
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i mean yeah they have been trying for years but then they also hired Green so.
 
Bleach Clean said:
It's odd seeing the Canucks manipulate the cap at such a high level just to see VGK and NYR clear swathes of cap space with ease. Luck and GM incompetence plays such a large role in the efficiency of the league.
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I am guessing GMs don't see Trouba as a negative asset. It is crazy how much they over index on pedigree.
 
Bleach Clean said:
The skill differential between the two is apparent. It is so clear that the argument for BT would have to be the traits offered outside of skill to make it a debate. Example, isolate goals and tough area work at the cost of overall production.

It's fine to prefer those secondary traits. I just would not trade EP's skill to get them.

Also, I think EP plays (innately) a more valuable position and is better defensively.
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skill differential? what do you even mean? How do you measure it.....or attempt to? Tkachuck is absolutely not lacking in the skill department. The early knock on his was skating and he's improved considerably since breaking into the league. Pettersson is trending in the other direction.

over the last 3 season, Tkachuk has taken 2x as many high danger shots and has, as a result scored more goals (85 vs 80). Maybe you can explain why goals and high danger shot generation should be considered secondary traits? It's not like the team with the most "slick dekes" wins the game.

As far as who's the better defensive player, it's hardly clear cut IMO. Brady's +/- is not great, but his - team leading - shot attempt differential is miles better (+654 vs +152).

It isn't like he's some knuckle dragging unskilled crash and bang winger we're talking about, he has high end offensive skills in addition to the physical game. kind of like if JT Miller was the same size as Tom Wilson.
 
So what would we be willing to give up for Brady Tkachuk? Boeser, Lekkerimaki, and 2 1sts?

I can only imagine Ottawa would want a top six forward back but Boeser might not do it with an expiring contract.
 
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Ernie said:
So what would we be willing to give up for Brady Tkachuk? Boeser, Lekkerimaki, and a 1st?
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Boeser would have to be extended and willing to go there and i can't imagine he'd want to. But if that's all it cost, I'd do it in a picosecond.

If NY is serious, they're probably dangling Lafreniere.+
 
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