Around the League - PLAYOFFS!?

[Evilhomer]

In other news, I see that Ottawa is making its usual late-season push to make everyone believe they will make the playoffs next season?

 

[ToneDog]

In other news, I see that Ottawa is making its usual late-season push to make everyone believe they will make the playoffs next season?

They are helping keep us ahead of the Wings in points. Thought that would be a good thing.

 

[Evilhomer]

They are helping keep us ahead of the Wings in points. Thought that would be a good thing.

I don't think Detroit is much of a threat. They are still much too inconsistent to make the playoffs, especially with their goaltending.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Flames took Vancouver to the cleaner with that Lindholm move.

• Andrei Kuzmenko - 74 points in 81 NHL games last year. Off to a poor start this year but he's talented.
• Hunter Brzustewicz - The OHL's leading scorer, who happens to be a defender. I'd say comfortably Vancouver's third best prospect.
• Joni Jurmo - A recent third round pick, who's big fast and physical. He has not really developed into the defender he was expected to be thus far.
• 1st Rounder
• 4th Rounder

Seems like a lot for a UFA like Lindholm

If this is any indication of a buyer's market I'd like to not add much.

 

[MSZ]

Holy overpayment for Lindholm.

 

[ToneDog]

Flames took Vancouver to the cleaner with that Lindholm move.

• Andrei Kuzmenko - 74 points in 81 NHL games last year. Off to a poor start this year but he's talented.
• Hunter Brzustewicz - The OHl's leading scorer, who happens to be a defender.
• Joni Jurmo - A recent third round pick, who's big fast and physical. Has not really developed into the defender he was expected to be thus far.
• 1st Rounder
• 4th Rounder

Seems like a lot for a UFA like Lindholm

If this is any indication of a buyer's market I'd like to not add much.

This is the kind of trade you make when you think a player puts you over the top. If only Tre could make such a deal with Nylander instead of rushing to sign him to a player friendly deal.

 

[Mitch nylander]

This is the kind of trade you make when you think a player puts you over the top. If only Tre could make such a deal with Nylander instead of not delaying signing him.

I don't think he does though. He's good but that's the type of return you give for a superstar, not Lindholm.

Nylander would have gone for a crazy amount though, had we went that route. But I think we're better with him, than without. I wouldn't mind exploring Marner next year.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't think Detroit is much of a threat. They are still much too inconsistent to make the playoffs, especially with their goaltending.

They should not be but anything is possible. Just noticed Pinto is back for the Sens.

And Pinto gets the OT winner. Wonder if he bet on himself tonight.

 

[Shooter2x]

This is the kind of trade you make when you think a player puts you over the top. If only Tre could make such a deal with Nylander instead of rushing to sign him to a player friendly deal.

If you'd take a package like that for Nylander you're nuts

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[ToneDog]

I don't think he does though. He's good but that's the type of return you give for a superstar, not Lindholm.

Nylander would have gone for a crazy amount though, had we went that route. But I think we're better with him, than without. I wouldn't mind exploring Marner next year.

Many said you would not get much for pending UFA Nylander which is clearly not true. Wonder if Tre was just giving us lip service about exploring options because Shanny ordered him to sign Willie at all costs.

If you'd take a package like that for Nylander you're nuts

Did not say that I would take that package for pending UFA Nylander but that kind of one sided deal is what I was referring to. I am not sure how much more you could get for a pending UFA. Calgary did well getting that package rather than letting him walk for nothing like Gaudreau. Hanafin and Tanev should be next.

 

[Evilhomer]

Many said you would not get much for pending UFA Nylander which is clearly not true. Wonder if Tre was just giving us lip service about exploring options because Shanny ordered him to sign Willie at all costs.

I would suggest that this is 100% the case, but that Treliving probably agreed with it. I can't imagine that he wanted to run the risk of a Nylander trade.

 

[Shooter2x]

Many said you would not get much for pending UFA Nylander which is clearly not true. Wonder if Tre was just giving us lip service about exploring options because Shanny ordered him to sign Willie at all costs.


Did not say that I would take that package for Nylander but that kind of one sided deal is what I was referring to.

That package won't make a dent in the Flames quest for the Cup. Ever. It's yawn worthy.

If anything comes of the 1st round pick, you're looking at 4+ years until it becomes an impact player. Who knows what Flames will look like by then.

Canucks gave the allure of overpayment to get the guy they wanted but in the grand scheme of things Flames didn't improve. None of these guys have significant game impact and are expendable to try to unlock ppg from Lindholm during a cup run.

Whatever the equivalent multi player package would be for Nylander.....no thanks

 

[Buds17]

Good on CGY for acquiring a whole lot of quantity for a pending UFA. Of course, the quality of the return is TBD (only Kuzmenko has NHL experience at this point and he's a pending UFA himself at the end of next season). We'll also have to see if Lindholm can help his new team's (the Vancouver Flames?) fortunes for this season and potentially stick around for additional seasons beyond that.

 

[ToneDog]

That package won't make a dent in the Flames quest for the Cup. Ever. It's yawn worthy.

If anything comes of the 1st round pick, you're looking at 4+ years until it becomes an impact player. Who knows what Flames will look like by then.

Canucks gave the allure of overpayment to get the guy they wanted but in the grand scheme of things Flames didn't improve. None of these guys have significant game impact and are expendable to try to unlock ppg from Lindholm during a cup run.

Whatever the equivalent multi player package would be for Nylander.....no thanks

Lindholm was walking for nothing.? Conroy did well.

 

[Shooter2x]

Lindholm was walking for nothing.? Conroy did well.

I don't disagree. This statement has nothing to do with Nylander though.

When you're in our position, you better hope you get the Lindholm in a trade like that.

Kuzmenko put up 39 goals on 143 shots last season lol, that's never going to happen again in his life. Not sustainable. Canucks sold high. Everyone else is likelier to bust than they are to excel.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

This is the kind of trade you make when you think a player puts you over the top. If only Tre could make such a deal with Nylander instead of rushing to sign him to a player friendly deal.

We would be on the on the other side of the deal in that situation though and none of the picks or D prospects help you win in Matthews prime. Making the team worse in the now does not make sense.

 

[ULF_55]

What? He waived his NTC? How is that possible?

Coach hates him and guessing feeling is mutual.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't disagree. This statement has nothing to do with Nylander though.

When you're in our position, you better hope you get the Lindholm in a trade like that.

Kuzmenko put up 39 goals on 143 shots last season lol, that's never going to happen again in his life. Not sustainable. Canucks sold high. Everyone else is likelier to bust than they are to excel.

If Tre was honest when he said he explored trading Nylander, caving into him tells me nobody was offering as huge a haul as you think you could get for him.

We would be on the on the other side of the deal in that situation though and none of the picks or D prospects help you win in Matthews prime. Making the team worse in the now does not make sense.

True but we were only trading him rather than having him walk for nothing. Tre chose overpaying him instead. We'll see if that was the wise/right move.

 

[Shooter2x]

If Tre was honest when he said he explored trading Nylander, caving into him tells me nobody was offering as huge a haul as you think you could get for him.

Tre was exploring a bonafide top pairing D from what I read. Teams don't trade those for wingers. That's like saying Marners trade value isn't high because we can't get Makar for him.

Also, for sake of argument, if for some reason the league wasn't offering a huge haul for Nylander, why would you want Tre to trade him? You're basically just trading Nylander out of spite at that point. He's more valuable to us than a multi player package is.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

If Tre was honest when he said he explored trading Nylander, caving into him tells me nobody was offering as huge a haul as you think you could get for him.


True but we were only trading him rather than having him walk for nothing. Tre chose overpaying him instead. We'll see if that was the wise/right move.

I am fine overpaying Nylander, I am not fine with overpaying Kampf/Reaves/Klingberg types. The deal will be fine once Tavares deal is up.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

I'd imagine Pens ownership wanted the team to try and be as competitive as possible while Crosby is still able to play at a star player level

I'd imagine that too, but they blew it big time and might lose a nice pick.

 

[Sypher04]

I'd imagine that too, but they blew it big time and might lose a nice pick.

I imagine if given the choice Dubas probably still makes the Karlsson deal. I’m sure they don’t relish potentially losing a 1st rounder while missing the playoffs, but they dumped some serious dead weight in that trade.

 

[ACC1224]

What? He waived his NTC? How is that possible?

They asked him and he accepted, happens all the time in certain situations

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

I imagine if given the choice Dubas probably still makes the Karlsson deal. I’m sure they don’t relish potentially losing a 1st rounder while missing the playoffs, but they dumped some serious dead weight in that trade.

Reminds me of dumping Mrazek then filling it back up with Murray on the roster though.

It's just sideways moves at the end of the day no matter how you slice. Karlsson was not a good move for the team that already came into 23/24 being the oldest in the league. He's not even good at D. At all. And takes up 10 mil of cap. Why. That's like when we had 10 mil of extra cap with our young stars on ELC and we filled it up with marleau and god knows what else under Lou. Such a waste of their ELC (such a waste of crosby last years)