Around the league part 2

[Axl Rhoadz]

I know it's probably just me. But one of things i find just incredibly annoying as sports fan is the constant looking back and could have had this guy in the draft or that guy instead of the due we took. I mean sure, i could be a billionaire if i had picked those 6 numbers -- they were right there for me to pick and i blew it by picking other numbers.

As if the GM was deciding between those two exact players and choose wrong. But even if he did, freaking move on. Not to mention sliding doors and all. They also ignore in that complaint about the hits said GM made. Everyone has winning draft picks and losing -- EVERYONE. It's so easy to have 20/20 vision in hindsight. But whatever -- to each is own, i guess.

Hey man, just let the pathetic souls bitch about what they want to bitch about -- you are threatening their annual message count by eliminating topics of conversation.

 

[YP44]

I like looking at re-drafts and thinking about whose stock as risen and whose has fallen. Context needs to be taken when looking backwards though. Yakupov was the consensus #1, should the oilers have picked someone else? Of course but I understand why they did not.

There are picks that I will always complain about. For instance HIckey. I bitch about it because for me it was not revisionist history. I did not want him to be the pick at the time (I wanted Alzner, which is why I am not in scouting). If someone out there wanted Zegras before LA took Turcotte than let them bitch about it.

 

[All The Kings Men]

I like looking at re-drafts and thinking about whose stock as risen and whose has fallen. Context needs to be taken when looking backwards though. Yakupov was the consensus #1, should the oilers have picked someone else? Of course but I understand why they did not.

There are picks that I will always complain about. For instance HIckey. I bitch about it because for me it was not revisionist history. I did not want him to be the pick at the time (I wanted Alzner, which is why I am not in scouting). If someone out there wanted Zegras before LA took Turcotte than let them bitch about it.

the only kick in the nuts I care about when it comes to the Hickey pick is that we found out from Yannetti that there was an opportunity to trade him for a first round pick and he was claimed off of waivers like half a year later.

that's brutal

 

[Bandit]

I agree. I was tempted to ask Russell "So... you think the Kings should have traded Clarke? Or Faber+ to get Wallstedt, which means not getting Fiala?" And I mention Faber+ because this probably would have been the first time Minnesota would have shown interest in Faber in a trade scenario.

I mean, I get it. I was hoping the Kings would get Wallstedt. But hand-waving the process it would have taken to get that pick is incredibly lazy.

Hey sometimes lazy works...

"These are not the droids you're looking for..." BAM!

 

[DoktorJeep]

No fan gives a shit about Hickey outside of the deep state homers. If Phil Danault delivers two cups in the next 3 years, Alex Turcotte is a trivia question at best. Unfortunately, that’s not how things will go. Danault will be in the Kings scrub HOF. And Turcotte is on his way to a European league.

 

[Sol]

On a random note since Kings are supposedly in on Demko which is a solid choice, I still can’t fathom why people thought Vancouver was going to break out this year. I never understood the hype this off-season.

 

[Bandit]

They definitely should have had an eye out for a goaltender earlier, but you can't really fault a lot of their high selections other than the obvious 'we should have selected someone else that was slotted in the same group', etc. They weren't taking a goaltender in the top 10 in any of those drafts as there wasn't a goaltender in the field that warranted it. We know they tried hard to trade back up into the first round to likely draft Wallstedt but the opportunity to move wasn't there.

True, but dude... Your avatar. It's time.

 

[All The Kings Men]

On a random note since Kings are supposedly in on Demko which is a solid choice, I still can’t fathom why people thought Vancouver was going to break out this year. I never understood the hype this off-season.

Well I can tell you why I thought... fully admitting that it was based on surface level nonsense.

They were 32-15-10 under Boudreau (.649 points %) and the talent in that lineup matched with a coach that historically performs well in the regular season made ME believe that they would be able to repeat that performance under Boudreau.

 

[YP44]

the only kick in the nuts I care about when it comes to the Hickey pick is that we found out from Yannetti that there was an opportunity to trade him for a first round pick and he was claimed off of waivers like half a year later.

that's brutal

agreed.

See now i want to know what pick that would have been so I can continue my bitch tree

No fan gives a shit about Hickey outside of the deep state homers. If Phil Danault delivers two cups in the next 3 years, Alex Turcotte is a trivia question at best. Unfortunately, that’s not how things will go. Danault will be in the Kings scrub HOF. And Turcotte is on his way to a European league.

This is over my head, what do you mean by "deep state homers". I care about hickey and LA won two cups. Does that make me a "deep state homer" and what is that?

On a random note since Kings are supposedly in on Demko which is a solid choice, I still can’t fathom why people thought Vancouver was going to break out this year. I never understood the hype this off-season.

I think because they had such a good record under Bruce last year.

 

[Steve Zissou]

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Don't show that to the NYR fanbase.

 

[lumbergh]

Is this turning into the wudda cudda shudda thread? Let me think of my 3 ill post later after reviewing all the drafts : )

Every thread turns into a wudda cudda shudda thread here. It's pretty much the MO for HFBoards.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There's nothing more bad faith than Ottawa Senators fans

Let's compare him to Tage Thompson's emergence while we're at it

 

[bland]

One of the main points in favor of Stützle was that you would most likely get a few years of much better production on the front end, hopefully mitigated by the likely better full value on the back end of Byfield's career.

Literally nothing has changed since the Kings made their choice, both are still on their projected course.

Offensive wingers peak early and fade quicker than big centers.

 

[tny760]

i wish every stutzle v. whoever comparison was like, asterisked by a 6+ month time shift backwards

like wow no kidding a kid that's what, 8 months older and has a full season in a men's league more experience is further along in his development?

 

[YP44]

One of the main points in favor of Stützle was that you would most likely get a few years of much better production on the front end, hopefully mitigated by the likely better full value on the back end of Byfield's career.

Literally nothing has changed since the Kings made their choice, both are still on their projected course.

Offensive wingers peak early and fade quicker than big centers.

at the end of their careers I suspect Stutzle to have more points than Byfield, but i also expect Byfield to accumulate more wins (if that is even a stat for non goalies) than Stu.
Both will be great players, just different dunamics

 

[King'sPawn]

at the end of their careers I suspect Stutzle to have more points than Byfield, but i also expect Byfield to accumulate more wins (if that is even a stat for non goalies) than Stu.
Both will be great players, just different dunamics

Some Sens fans have to cope with having a shitty team by talking about their great young player. The Sens only have 72 wins since Stutzle suited up with them (the Kings, conversely, have 93 since the start of the 2020-21 season).

They did the same for Karlsson versus Doughty.

Which is ironic, considering they needed to trade Karlsson away to get the pick that let them get Stutzle.

All these "amazing players" (I read a couple fans also think Sanderson is the second best player from the same draft) and still can't string together wins.

I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't so obnoxious with their ignorant chest-thumping

 

[Steve Zissou]

Oldie but a goodie. I would imagine this is a ton of HFBoard posters wet dream... to chirp a player so much that he gives you a stick.

 

[Rick Knickleback]

 

[Herby]

TS has been way better than anyone could have possibly imagined. He has answered the bell on his two biggest potential weaknesses, can he play C and can he score goals. He is playing center this year and has a chance to score 40 goals in his age 20/21 season.

As far as the production vs LD. He also stepped right in, LD spent half his first year back in junior and then after that he was playing with a generational superstar. Either on his line or centering another line, thus drawing way easier matchups. I don't think it's as far off as people think. What are their numbers this season if they just switched teams?

Ottawa has been a big disappointment as a team, but he is worth the price of admission most nights.

 

[Fishhead]

I always viewed TS's biggest weaknesses as his defensive awareness and overall body strength, at least I never doubted his goal scoring with that shot of his. I don't think they are glaring at all. I think his defense has already improved a good amount, he's a lot more aware of what's going on around him and isn't just scrambling out of the zone like he did when he first came in.

I still think he's a better winger because of his strength issues. He may be scoring at center but he's absolutely awful at faceoffs. Put him against a good center in the oppositions zone and he will only win 2 or 3 out of 10. As he gets stronger that should improve.

I kind of thought he would be this good overall, but it was more because of the lack of expectations an Ottawa. He's got a bit to go to be a guy that can carry a team places, but he could get there.

 

[YP44]

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I wonder if Nashivlle would move Saros this offseason. They have Askarov coming and could get a very nice return for him.

 

[kingsholygrail]

My only thing about TS at the time was that he was a highly rated left winger and we were drowning in centers already.

 

[YP44]

I wonder if Nashivlle would move Saros this offseason. They have Askarov coming and could get a very nice return for him.

now Kypreos is saying Nashville may look to move if they decide to sell ...I doubt it

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

This is embarrassing, the arena is completely empty for the allstar game.