Around the league part 2

[kilowatt]

This is… unwatchable.

 

[Herby]

 

[kingsboy11]

watched it for about 5 minutes and saw Adam Fox just wave his stick at a player going on a breakaway and thought what's the point of these anymore. Players don't even try to hide the fact that they don't care.

 

[Sol]

This is the first time ever I have it watched any of the games or skills competition.


On an unrelated note, I was curious to see when the Islanders stopped paying Dipietros buyout…and they haven’t… they’re paying him 1.5 million until 2029. He was bought out in 2013. Imagine getting that much money a year doing zero.

 

[Kurrilino]

Change the all star thing to something completely different, take the hockey out of it and do something different. Market the player’s personalities. Have the teams decide who goes. one year it’s a poker tournament, the next is golf, make it an east vs west softball game, a fishing tournament. I don’t know. But what it is now is crap

The solution is simple.

Go back to West vs East and the winner conference gets the home advantage in the Stanley Cup final.
This would turn it into a serious competition with impact and meaning beyond pride.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Inked.

"Horvat inked an eight-year, $68 million extension with the Islanders on Sunday, less than a week after the Islanders traded for him. The average annual value is $8.5 million, according to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman."

 

[tny760]

that's a lotta monies..

not sure i like that at all

 

[kilowatt]

Horvat’s only a year older than Fiala, and we just did essentially the same thing the Islanders did. I think we’re closer to competing though, with a much better prospect pool.

 

[AbsentMojo]

re Horvat - in the presser Lamariello said its too much and for too long.. hilarious.

 

[KingsFan7824]

That's the business. You will give out bad contracts if you want any sort of talent. Then you'll be stuck with that guy, good or bad, because you will have to give out all that term.

 

[BringTheReign]

re Horvat - in the presser Lamariello said its too much and for too long.. hilarious.

Wait he said what?

 

[AbsentMojo]

Wait he said what?

Islanders' Lamoriello after signing Horvat: 'It's too long and it's too much money'

Lou Lamoriello doesn't like disclosing the details of his contracts, but he apparently has no issue divulging how he feels about them.

www.sportsnet.ca

edit: i love stuff like this.. funny - no ones funny anymore - except torts and this guy

 

[AbsentMojo]

That's the business. You will give out bad contracts if you want any sort of talent. Then you'll be stuck with that guy, good or bad, because you will have to give out all that term.

You do those deals if you think whatever core you have is going to rot by time you could develop the same.. 8 years is a long time.. when does ever work out well? but as you said you couldnt get him otherwise - pretty much Lou L's lament.

 

[Herby]

It is a bit amusing that the fans who complain about the 8 year contracts going to age 35-36 also don’t like the 8 year deals guys sign at 22 because they supposedly haven’t proven enough.

I still think the 3 year ELC into the 8 year deal is the best for everyone involved when it comes to higher end guys.

 

[King'sPawn]

It is a bit amusing that the fans who complain about the 8 year contracts going to age 35-36 also don’t like the 8 year deals guys sign at 22 because they supposedly haven’t proven enough.

I still think the 3 year ELC into the 8 year deal is the best for everyone involved when it comes to higher end guys.

That's an interesting observation.

Honestly I'd like there to be a cap at 5 years. I think it protects the teams from committing too long, and there will be fewer players tied down for too long so teams can afford raises for the players.

 

[johnjm22]

That's an interesting observation.

Honestly I'd like there to be a cap at 5 years. I think it protects the teams from committing too long, and there will be fewer players tied down for too long so teams can afford raises for the players.

I guess the counter argument would be that those long term contracts actually save teams money sometimes. It allows teams to lock up their young stars and give them cost certainty.

If the Oilers couldn't lock up McDavid for 8 years, he'd end up costing them even more money I think.

Maybe the 5 year cap should just be on UFA contracts.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Imagine choosing JT Miller over Bo Horvat.

I may feel bad for Van fans for the first time in recorded history.

 

[LAKings88]

I wish there was a buyout clause built into contracts or the team gets one every four years. I know the players wouldn’t accept it but as a fan it would be nice to save the team from a bad gm mistake.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wish there was a buyout clause built into contracts or the team gets one every four years. I know the players wouldn’t accept it but as a fan it would be nice to save the team from a bad gm mistake.

It's also why GMs keep doing it. By the time they're done trying to save their job with bad deals, it's someone else's mess.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Imagine choosing JT Miller over Bo Horvat.

I may feel bad for Van fans for the first time in recorded history.

If they knew they couldnt sign both, why go for Miller? I read they low balled him and he declined so they locked up Miller instead of negotiating further. Thats a franchise in a free fall.

 

[YP44]

Imagine choosing JT Miller over Bo Horvat.

I may feel bad for Van fans for the first time in recorded history.

yup especially since they could have gotten a haul for miller similar to what they got for Horvat.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Imagine choosing JT Miller over Bo Horvat.

I may feel bad for Van fans for the first time in recorded history.

Am I the only one who thinks Miller is the better player? Horvat is a good player, but he's riding a ridiculously unsustainable 21.7% shooting percentage, and his career high is 61 points. Miller had 99 points last season while Horvat had 52 on the same team. I'd be terrified of that Horvat contract as I feel they are paying UFA PPG player market value for what's very likely a 60 point player on a hot shooting streak

 

[YP44]

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I agree with Torts, glad it is over and hockey can start again.
If the league insists on having an all star game, put it right before the start of the season

Am I the only one who thinks Miller is the better player? Horvat is a good player, but he's riding a ridiculously unsustainable 21.7% shooting percentage, and his career high is 61 points. Miller had 99 points last season while Horvat had 52 on the same team. I'd be terrified of that Horvat contract as I feel they are paying UFA PPG player market value for what's very likely a 60 point player on a hot shooting streak

Horvat is having a career year offensively but he is better defensively than miller, and I often think Miller is a better winger than center. Rather pay the center.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Am I the only one who thinks Miller is the better player? Horvat is a good player, but he's riding a ridiculously unsustainable 21.7% shooting percentage, and his career high is 61 points. Miller had 99 points last season while Horvat had 52 on the same team. I'd be terrified of that Horvat contract as I feel they are paying UFA PPG player market value for what's very likely a 60 point player on a hot shooting streak

he's the better offensive player but he's also a lot older and a bit of a shithead

Bo can play great two way hockey and character beyond reproach

It's an easy call for me, there's a reason even great teams like TBL / NYR were done with miller in short order

 

[KingsFan7824]

If they knew they couldnt sign both, why go for Miller? I read they low balled him and he declined so they locked up Miller instead of negotiating further. Thats a franchise in a free fall.

Miller had already had his career year, and Van was still riding that huge Bruce bounce they had in the 2nd half last year when they signed the contract in Sept. No team.is getting rid of Miller in that scenario. That carry over thing that every team always thinks is going to work out. Then not only do they suck, but Horvat has his career year this year.

If the Canucks had been decent this year, they re-sign Horvat. But they've been so bad, and so much media pressure is hanging over them, that it messes everything up.

So much of this stuff is about timing. Most moves are done based on where a team is today, not 3 years from now. Meaning the shorter the contract, the better, but the cap pretty much forces you to hand out 7/8 year deals to your best guys, since the AAV is based on the length of term, so you front load the contract as much as you can, and worry about years 5-8 later.