Dale Hunter got a 21 game suspension hitting and injuring Pierre Turgeon after an empty net goal in the 1993 playoffs. I think the suspension will be more than 3, but quite a bit less than 21.
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I think this is a really good example, and baseball is soft as f***. If a guy really pimps a home run basically everyone is behind a good plunk.
We can argue over what the line is all day--ie how hard of a shot was a dick move/showboat, what should reilly have done--but arguing that nothing should happen at all? I can't believe anyone like that would play sports. Yeah yeah if you don't want them to celebrate don't get scored on and all but I damn sure want my teammates to send a message too.
Don't get me wrong I think a crosscheck to the dome is the wrong move, but I love the action and the reaction, it's a rivalry game. I love Greig anyway so seeing him just play it up cracked me up, and I love the idea of Reilly saying no to it.
AbsentMojo
F-ing get up and hunt! Cmon Todd!
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im very familiar with that and to me thats one of the funniest takes ive ever heard from a commentator... at the time he said that, he had not seen the replay where the puck seemingly with a mind of its own hit a piece of snow/ice and hopped up right before he was about to shoot it. Very funny stuff.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
Flip the bat too, the next guy get it in the ribs,
Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
What he did was something you'd see Avery do and expect something coming back at him afterwards.
I don't mind the response, but not the head. Give him a shove or good whack behind the leg, but the crack to the head crossed the line. Now it'll cost him 5 games.
Look if the guy did a spin-o-rama and went between the legs to roof it in, sure...give him a shot. But a slapshot? Come tf on. If the stick goes above the knees it's now a sign of disrespect? So silly.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
It's Ridly Greig. He knew what he was doing. It's basically like if Corey Perry did it.
It wasn't like he was just excited and putting away a series with an empty netter and showing some exuberance, he was 100% being a dick and leaving no doubt
And to be clear I loved it, total shitheel move
Yeah but we're talking about the act itself. Is it not a "total shitheel move" if Kopitar does it? If the discussion was "Greig was antagonizing them all game long and this was the straw", cool. But it's this "that's disrespectful to the game" stuff that's making me laugh.
Even still, what he did is SUCH a non-starter to me that even if it was any other rat type, it wouldn't even register to me. Do it and point at the bench? Sure. This though? Reilly looks like a dummy to me. It's no different to me than what Dale Hunter did (minus the severity of the result) and I don't know a single person saying Turgeon deserved to be attacked because he was doing a celebration while being up 5-1 and the game being basically over.
tigermask48
Maniacal Laugh
"If you don't want to see me flip my bat and admire my work, strike me out next time"
BigKing
Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
1 - Kopitar wouldn't do it. Nobody ever does it and they don't for a reason.
2 - Turgeon goal was not an empty-netter @Kudelski37 and was a case of a noted on-ice criminal being upset that his team was about to be eliminated from the playoffs. Super cheap, dirty, and Turgeon didn't deserve to get rung up for it.
3 - It's an unwritten rule but I wouldn't say it disrespects the game: it disrespected the Leafs. The disrespect to the game would have been if there was no response. To me, the game looks to be in better shape than I thought since Reilly actually reacted to that play in the year 2024.
Doesn't matter. If the issue was disrespect to the Leafs, isn't it disrespect to the Caps doing fist pumps when you're now up 5-1 at the end of the game where you're going to knock a team out? You're either allowed to show off and rub it in or you're not.
Again, it's a ridiculous tantrum for a nothing play. This chest-puffing tough guy nonsense is so boring.
BigKing
Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
You can--and should--celebrate a goal at 5-1 in a series clinching game at home. He didn't skate by the Caps bench and do it. He didn't drop to a knee and pretend his stick was a rifle and pretend to shoot the goalie. Simply celebrating a goal is not necessarily rubbing it in.
There is zero need to try and put the puck out the back of the net from 10 feet out on an empty net in a rivalry game. You can do it if you'd like but you know it is frowned upon and you are probably going to catch some heat for it. The only issue in this entire play is Reilly going about it in a way that could seriously hurt someone v. starting a fight.
Of course, you can't start a fight with less than five minutes to go or you and your coach get a suspension so rats are allowed to rat.
This is so good for hockey. Now it isn't just Sens/Leafs fans circling the next time these two teams play.
Brownie to Pancakes
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One move was victimless and one move was dangerous. It's the only thing that matters. The worst thing you can do to the game is intentionally injure opponents because you're a caveman
The parsing of what is and isn’t acceptable to do after scoring a goal is good stuff. Can I get a list of other types of shots and circumstances that are appropriate? Like, if it’s a wrister is it ok if you follow through? What if it leaves the ground? Is a slap shot ok if it’s a team you only play once a year? If Dale Hunter just grabbed Turgeon and started a fight that’s ok or no? So confusing to keep up with these made up “rules”.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I would have liked to have seen something more around 8 games. It's definitely not at the level of what Hunter did, but with what we know now about the long-term effects of head injuries I just don't think 5 fits the crime.
I'm not a big believer in unwritten rules, but I know some people are. The Leafs are saying all the cliche canned answers about supporting him, but at the end of the day its a team that is in a heated battle for playoff positioning/spot and is going to miss their best defenseman for 5 games because he decided to cheap shot a depth player on a bad team for breaking an unwritten rule. To me the risk just seems to far outweigh the reward. If he skates over there and says "Don't ever ******* do that again" and pushes him down, it probably sends the necessary message without really hurting the team.
I'm not a big believer in unwritten rules, but I know some people are. The Leafs are saying all the cliche canned answers about supporting him, but at the end of the day its a team that is in a heated battle for playoff positioning/spot and is going to miss their best defenseman for 5 games because he decided to cheap shot a depth player on a bad team for breaking an unwritten rule. To me the risk just seems to far outweigh the reward. If he skates over there and says "Don't ever ******* do that again" and pushes him down, it probably sends the necessary message without really hurting the team.
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
Doughty did crack the Top 10 d-man in ESPN's sampling of 10 players and execs.
www.espn.com
The Top 10 were
1. Makar
2. Hughes
3. Heiskanen
4. Fox
5. McAvoy
6. Hedman
7. Josa
8. Slavin
9. Morrissey
10. Doughty
Faber was an honorable mention
The 10 best defensemen in the NHL for 2023-24
Where do the high-scoring Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes land? What about "defensive defenseman" Jaccob Slavin? Here's how those in the NHL see it.
The Top 10 were
1. Makar
2. Hughes
3. Heiskanen
4. Fox
5. McAvoy
6. Hedman
7. Josa
8. Slavin
9. Morrissey
10. Doughty
Faber was an honorable mention
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BigKing
Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
And then they went out and put up their best defensive effort of the season without him and a few other missing players. It's almost like stuff like that helps galvanize a team which should be evident from watching the Kings go 7-8 seasons now without one single galvanizing moment.
Since your user name invokes the old division, you already know--or should know--what is considered acceptable.
Every sport has this type of stuff at the end of the game. I already mentioned the 360 windmill dunk with 30 seconds left in a blowout. You have it in football with the D-line shoving the center back into the QB on a kneel down or the Jameis Winston play at the end of this last season when he didn't go with the called kneel down and went for a TD instead. Hell, you have it in hockey with putting out your PP1 when you're up 4-5 goals with 2 minutes left.
Nobody likes having it rubbed in their face. There is no rule against rubbing it in but do so at your own risk. I believe it is called "f*** around and find out".
As for the silly Turgeon comment, attacking Turgeon wasn't okay regardless because he didn't do anything wrong. If he were to have started a fight with him, Turgeon would have immediately turtled, a scrum would have ensued and he wouldn't have been injured. So while it wasn't warranted, it would have been a less serious offense.
Unwritten rules make the game spicier which, in turn, leads to better hockey because, yes, violent hockey games are more exciting. Violence doesn't have to mean muggings and stickwork but guys breaking unwritten rules makes the other team more engaged and then you get players finishing checks. It might be hard to remember that checking and unwritten rules are still part of hockey since we've seen too many Kings games.
bouncesonly
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Oh geez Chychrun to LA rumors again...
'24 1st, Spence, Turcotte, Kaliyev, Fagemo, Thomas, Chromiak, hell why not just throw in Clarke. Ottawa gets hosed in this deal. Do it Blake. LOL.
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Doughty - Chychrun
Spence - Gavrikov
Clarke - Anderson
That is sexy but a waste if they are playing in front of inconsistent goalies and forwards that can’t figure out how to score. Nice blend of offense and defense and nice age range. Not a lot of snarl though.
Spence - Gavrikov
Clarke - Anderson
That is sexy but a waste if they are playing in front of inconsistent goalies and forwards that can’t figure out how to score. Nice blend of offense and defense and nice age range. Not a lot of snarl though.
KingsHockey24
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Chychrun will do good for this team, but the price is wrong....yes, bring in Zadorov, who can't move the puck.....not sure if that's a good idea....
KingsHockey24
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Chychrun also sucks at playing defense.
I'd rather have the D who'll lay the body out on someone when we're getting destroyed by the Sabers than the one sulking on the bench.
Let's not bring in another beta male, our entire roster is full of them thanks.
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