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Chazz Reinhold said:
Cite to the CBA provision that prohibited Fleury from even wearing it in warmups, and cite to the provision that required the NHL to threaten the organization with an even larger fine after Fleury said he'd just pay the standard fine?
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Hold on, let me get the handbook out. lol The NHL wouldn't be threatening a fine or even making a stink about it if there wasn't a provision in the CBA.

Is it stupid? Sure. I wouldn't even be surprised if some DEI idiot working with the league was the one pushing it because MAF is white and it would be considered "cultural appropriation."
 
kingsholygrail said:
Hold on, let me get the handbook out. lol The NHL wouldn't be threatening a fine or even making a stink about it if there wasn't a provision in the CBA.

Is it stupid? Sure. I wouldn't even be surprised if some DEI idiot working with the league was the one pushing it because MAF is white and it would be considered "cultural appropriation."
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You're the one who said blame the CBA. If you're going to say that some document is responsible for the NHL's posturing yesterday, you should point to specific provisions to educate the rest of us.
 
Chazz Reinhold said:
You're the one who said blame the CBA. If you're going to say that some document is responsible for the NHL's posturing yesterday, you should point to specific provisions to educate the rest of us.
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I'm not writing an essay for you. If you don't want to believe me, then don't believe me. lol The NHL doesn't have the authority to fine anyone if it's not in the rules. If it's not a rule, then MAF can sue the league.
 
BringTheReign said:
Quickie is now just 11 wins behind Miller for the all-time lead among American-born goalers, and he is already 14 shutouts ahead of second place. I think he's got a great chance to take the lead this season with how he and the Rangers are playing.
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I don't know how anyone considers him anything but a shoo-in for the HOF.

Raccoon Jesus said:
Call it out.
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Truth bomb.
 
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johnjm22 said:


Interesting.
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Sv% was always the go-to, but as rules change (2 line-pass, 3v3 OT, etc.) it's went to more of a supplemental stat.

I think xGSA is probably the best way to evaluate a goalie right now. What I would love to see is a similar stat that's also adjusted for competition. Like xGSAQ or something.
 
Vegas haven't been themselves lately, everything seems really stretched out. Big gaps on defense and the same on offense. None of those short, efficient passes that make them difficult to keep up with. Arizona taking to them a bit tonight.
 
FSL KINGS said:
AZ shuts out vgk
Van down by 2 to the Sharks

SJ holds on! Van loses!!!
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suddenly the mighty aren't so mighty. Van can try and run up scores all they want for individual points, but when you cheat, it will cost you. They thought they were going to steamroll the sharks again.nope!:laugh:
 
Chazz Reinhold said:
I didn’t ask for an essay. I asked for a citation, which there should be if the authority exists as you suggest it does.
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Sure. Google is your friend, here. I should charge you for this, though. :)
So. it's not the CBA. The CBA is more concerned about compensation & benefits. Article 30.1 of the CBA basically says it's up to the League to create the rules:
(https://cdn.nhlpa.com/img/assets/file/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.pdf)
(the 2013 CBA is still in effect, per the 2020 MOU)
30.1 League Rules. Subject to Section 30.3, the NHL, each Player, and for purposes of this​
Agreement, each Club shall be bound by the provisions of the League Rules that affect any terms​
or conditions of employment of any Player​

What you're really looking for is the League Rules:
(https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2023-24/2023-24Rulebook.pdf)
And section 3, Rule 9.1:
Rule 9 – Uniforms​
9.1 Team Uniform – All players shall be dressed uniformly with approved​
design and color of their helmets, sweaters, short pants, stockings​
and skates.​
Altered uniforms of any kind, i.e. Velcro inserts, over-sized jerseys,​
altered collars, etc., will not be permitted. Any player or goalkeeper​
not complying with this rule shall not be permitted to participate in the​
game. For violations, refer to 9.5​

Let's be clear, "with approved design" is a catch-all by the league. Which lets them unilaterally decide whether something is allowed or not.
 
Sybil227 said:
Sure. Google is your friend, here. I should charge you for this, though. :)
So. it's not the CBA. The CBA is more concerned about compensation & benefits. Article 30.1 of the CBA basically says it's up to the League to create the rules:
(https://cdn.nhlpa.com/img/assets/file/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.pdf)
(the 2013 CBA is still in effect, per the 2020 MOU)
30.1 League Rules. Subject to Section 30.3, the NHL, each Player, and for purposes of this​
Agreement, each Club shall be bound by the provisions of the League Rules that affect any terms​
or conditions of employment of any Player​

What you're really looking for is the League Rules:
(https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2023-24/2023-24Rulebook.pdf)
And section 3, Rule 9.1:
Rule 9 – Uniforms​
9.1 Team Uniform – All players shall be dressed uniformly with approved​
design and color of their helmets, sweaters, short pants, stockings​
and skates.​
Altered uniforms of any kind, i.e. Velcro inserts, over-sized jerseys,​
altered collars, etc., will not be permitted. Any player or goalkeeper​
not complying with this rule shall not be permitted to participate in the​
game. For violations, refer to 9.5​

Let's be clear, "with approved design" is a catch-all by the league. Which lets them unilaterally decide whether something is allowed or not.
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The point is the statement made was: "Don't blame the league. Blame the PA who allowed it to happen."

That person was asked to provide a citation.

So this just reinforces that the league can be blamed.

But we can blame the PA for not raising a case and instead of being complicit with these actions.
 
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Fantastic results night, definitely did not expect help from AZ and SJ!

johnjm22 said:


Maybe I'm missing some context, but hitting someone in the head with your stick using a baseball bat style swing seem like grounds for a harsher penalty.
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yeah what the actual f***, that is INSANE as a go-to reaction, I almost feel about that the same way I did about the Nurse headbutt, just flabbergasted and looking around like am I CRAZY for thinking that should be a severe suspension? Premeditated, malicious retaliation play from a multiple-time repeat offender...what are we even doing here? f*** off player safety.
 
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that's just the right amount of "accidentally on purpose" to get away with it

frederic's arm was under trouba's stick which definitely influenced it going high but the swing wasn't on accident
 
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kingsholygrail said:
Soon we will be able to discredit anything that happens in the 2020s.
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Numbers are just climbing.

in 19-20, the highest GF/G was TB at 3.47 (70 games)
in 20-21 it was Colorado at 3.53 (56 games)
in 21-22 it was Florida at 4.11 (82 games). Calgary was 6th at 3.55.
in 22-23 it was Edmonton at 3.96 (82 games). Florida was 6th at 3.51.

Through the first quarter of the season this year the high is the Kings/Canucks, both at 4. That 3.5 range that used to lead the league is now 8th with New Jersey (3.53)

It's not just the top teams. In 17-18, TB was tops at 3.54. SJ was 13th in the league at 3.01. So far this year 20 teams are over 3 GF/G. Average in 17-18 was 2.93. Average this year so far is 3.15.

It started really climbing around 2017, probably due to rule changes.

15-16 - 3v3 overtime
17-18 - no timeouts after icing, goalie pad size restrictions, better enforcement of slashing/hooking
19-20 - no timeouts after dislodging net by defender. If a helmet comes off player has to immediately go put it back on or leave the ice
20-21 - Skate doesn't have to be touching the blueline to be on-side

By themselves each has a minor effect, but take them all together and you can see why the game has opened up.
 
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Fishhead said:
Numbers are just climbing.

in 19-20, the highest GF/G was TB at 3.47 (70 games)
in 20-21 it was Colorado at 3.53 (56 games)
in 21-22 it was Florida at 4.11 (82 games). Calgary was 6th at 3.55.
in 22-23 it was Edmonton at 3.96 (82 games). Florida was 6th at 3.51.

Through the first quarter of the season this year the high is the Kings/Canucks, both at 4. That 3.5 range that used to lead the league is now 8th with New Jersey (3.53)

It's not just the top teams. In 17-18, TB was tops at 3.54. SJ was 13th in the league at 3.01. So far this year 20 teams are over 3 GF/G. Average in 17-18 was 2.93. Average this year so far is 3.15.

It started really climbing around 2017, probably due to rule changes.

15-16 - 3v3 overtime
17-18 - no timeouts after icing, goalie pad size restrictions, better enforcement of slashing/hooking
19-20 - no timeouts after dislodging net by defender. If a helmet comes off player has to immediately go put it back on or leave the ice
20-21 - Skate doesn't have to be touching the blueline to be on-side

By themselves each has a minor effect, but take them all together and you can see why the game has opened up.
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PP conversion rates having been going up slightly as well.

Prior to 2016-17 the league average PP% hadn't exceeded 18.9% in the cap era. Since then it's been over 19% every season.

It's been over 20% in each of the last 3 seasons.
 
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