Around the league part 2

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tny760

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I thought those guys wanted out of Winnipeg? The deals make sense, 8 years is a lot for a goalie but if you can get 5 years with Helleybuck playing at an elite level and then hope he is a serviceable backup for the remainder, its worth it.

They are one of those teams where you wouldnt be shocked if they made the playoffs but you also wouldnt be shocked if they finished last in the league.
they probably don't see that kind of money/term elsewhere, scheifele is probably worth it but i have reservations about hellebuyck

probably a bit of a "good soldier" reward on both of them that's offset by the theoretical rising cap

/shrug

i'd call it a relatively low-risk "retool", they don't have a ton of big contracts, gotta lock someone down and it might as well be 2 good players
 

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2 dollars in cap space? Haha. That's awesome.


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Has anyone seen Johnny Utah? Is he okay?

Zack Kassian let go from his PTO, Clifford clearing waivers, and AJ Greer being claimed by a division rival.
 
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A lot of people on this list with no AHL experience. So much for “everyone will be copying Blake’s development strategies”

A lot of these played in the NHL last year as well, not sure what the rookie status is etc, Woll has played 2 seasons etc, not enough games maybe, same with Dostal...etc, but let's see your top teams, VGK 1, CAR noone, TB, 1, NJD, 1, TOR surprising with 4, but let's wait 10 games in etc Knies and Woll were givens, NYR 1..... so out of your top teams, 7 total rookies made it.....
 

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A lot of these played in the NHL last year as well, not sure what the rookie status is etc, Woll has played 2 seasons etc, not enough games maybe, same with Dostal...etc, but let's see your top teams, VGK 1, CAR noone, TB, 1, NJD, 1, TOR surprising with 4, but let's wait 10 games in etc Knies and Woll were givens, NYR 1..... so out of your top teams, 7 total rookies made it.....

GBH, there are many players on contending teams who never played in the AHL, that was the point of the post, that this continued insistence that every player has to pay their dues in the AHL is extremely flawed. When members of the organization go on Pravda and say only the generational players don’t need AHL time they are lying to the fans (something they do quite frequently).

How are other teams able to put their high end pieces straight into the NHL from college, junior or Europe but the Kings can’t? Does LA just have the most complex system in the entire league while other teams are just letting players run wild free of any kind of organized system?

Other teams would have found a way to put a 20 year old Brandt Clarke with his talent level and his ELC cap hit on an NHL roster (see Faber and Hughes). The Kings just refuse to do that.

The results with heavy AHL usage were awful for QB, Turcotte, Bjornfot, JAD, Grans. Why are we optimistic Clarke will come out of it undamaged?
 
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GBH, there are many players on contending teams who never played in the AHL, that was the point of the post, that this continued insistence that every player has to pay their dues in the AHL is extremely flawed. When members of the organization go on Pravda and say only the generational players don’t need AHL time they are lying to the fans (something they do quite frequently).

How are other teams able to put their high end pieces straight into the NHL from college, junior or Europe but the Kings can’t? Does LA just have the most complex system in the entire league while other teams are just letting players run wild free of any kind of organized system?

Other teams would have found a way to put a 20 year old Brandt Clarke with his talent level and his ELC cap hit on an NHL roster (see Faber and Hughes). The Kings just refuse to do that.

The results with heavy AHL usage were awful for QB, Turcotte, Bjornfot, JAD, Grans. Why are we optimistic Clarke will come out of it undamaged?

What's interesting about NJ, is that Luke Hughes made the team, but Nemec did not.....why are we optimistic that NJ knows what they are doing?

Minnesota, that's a whole other animal, as the last two spots were goign to be taken by ELC contracts no matter what their names were...

Let's talk about this midway in the season and see how many of these guys on playoff teams are actually making a difference, you have your Bedard and Fantilli which will absolutely make a difference, you have Luke Hughes beating out Nemec, so he might be one, other than that..on a playoff team...Knies maybe?
 

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A lot of people on this list with no AHL experience. So much for “everyone will be copying Blake’s development strategies”
Looks like Laferriere will be on our opening night roster. With Arvy hurt is there a possiblity of a 2nd one?

So lets look at the chart:

22 (now counting us) teams are starting at least one rookie, 10 teams thus far are not.

9 teams out of 32 teams are starting more then one rookie. Boston, Buffalo and Toronto are the only established playoff bound teams starting more then 1 rookie.

Anahiem, Chicago, San Jose and Philly have numerous rookies. we would too if we were expected to finish under .500.

I do not see how this chart looks negatively upon the Kings. If Kaliyev did not get suspended We see Spence in the lineup. (don't have time to see if he is still rookie eligible?)


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I do not see Fagemo on Nashville's list. Anyone heard their plans with him or will he be coming back?
 

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GBH, there are many players on contending teams who never played in the AHL, that was the point of the post, that this continued insistence that every player has to pay their dues in the AHL is extremely flawed. When members of the organization go on Pravda and say only the generational players don’t need AHL time they are lying to the fans (something they do quite frequently).

How are other teams able to put their high end pieces straight into the NHL from college, junior or Europe but the Kings can’t? Does LA just have the most complex system in the entire league while other teams are just letting players run wild free of any kind of organized system?

Other teams would have found a way to put a 20 year old Brandt Clarke with his talent level and his ELC cap hit on an NHL roster (see Faber and Hughes). The Kings just refuse to do that.

The results with heavy AHL usage were awful for QB, Turcotte, Bjornfot, JAD, Grans. Why are we optimistic Clarke will come out of it undamaged?
Alex Laferriere has only played FOUR games with ONT and is now with the big club. But he doesn't count, right?
 
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funky

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Looks like Laferriere will be on our opening night roster. With Arvy hurt is there a possiblity of a 2nd one?

So lets look at the chart:

22 (now counting us) teams are starting at least one rookie, 10 teams thus far are not.

9 teams out of 32 teams are starting more then one rookie. Boston, Buffalo and Toronto are the only established playoff bound teams starting more then 1 rookie.

Anahiem, Chicago, San Jose and Philly have numerous rookies. we would too if we were expected to finish under .500.

I do not see how this chart looks negatively upon the Kings. If Kaliyev did not get suspended We see Spence in the lineup. (don't have time to see if he is still rookie eligible?)


off topic:

I do not see Fagemo on Nashville's list. Anyone heard their plans with him or will he be coming back?
Also what blows my mind more

How do crap teams like Detroit, Montreal and Vancouver have no rookies?
 

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Looks like Laferriere will be on our opening night roster. With Arvy hurt is there a possiblity of a 2nd one?

So lets look at the chart:

22 (now counting us) teams are starting at least one rookie, 10 teams thus far are not.

9 teams out of 32 teams are starting more then one rookie. Boston, Buffalo and Toronto are the only established playoff bound teams starting more then 1 rookie.

Anahiem, Chicago, San Jose and Philly have numerous rookies. we would too if we were expected to finish under .500.

I do not see how this chart looks negatively upon the Kings. If Kaliyev did not get suspended We see Spence in the lineup. (don't have time to see if he is still rookie eligible?)


off topic:

I do not see Fagemo on Nashville's list. Anyone heard their plans with him or will he be coming back?
Spence is not Calder trophy eligible due to playing at least 6 games in two preceding seasons.

Fagemo's on Nashville's roster, so the graphic appatently is inaccurate as far as who qualifies as a rookie.
 
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Spence is not Calder trophy eligible due to playing at least 6 games in two preceding seasons.

Fagemo's on Nashville's roster, so the graphic appatently is inaccurate as far as who qualifies as a rookie.

No, Fagemo is in the same position as Spence, 13 games played over preceding two seasons so not sure he would be on that list to begin with
 

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Alex Laferriere has only played FOUR games with ONT and is now with the big club. But he doesn't count, right?

Because of a suspension.

A member of this organization once said “only the McDavid types don’t need AHL time”

Do you believe this is true?

Do you believe it was correct to have QB in the AHL at 18? If you had it to do over again would you do things differently?

Do you believe it was correct to have Turcotte in the AHL at 19? If you had it to do over again would you do things differently?

Do you believe it was correct to have Bjornfot in the AHL at 18, and again at 22? If you had it to do over again would you do things differently?

Why am I supposed to think Clarke down there will be any different?

GBH, there is also the possibility that Nemec isn’t that good, I’m not sure that was a great draft for elite top end guys outside of Cooley. NJ has been very aggressive with putting guys into the NHL early, but aren’t here, might be a not great sign for him. Or maybe he got passes over by Hughes.

The point of the post is that Clarke should have been in the NHL this year, he’s good enough, his contract is an ELC and the Kings results from AHL usage has been poor (I think even you would concede that). Roy or Spence should have been traded to make room, probably Roy, in hopes of filling the massive hole in goal.
 

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Because of a suspension.

A member of this organization once said “only the McDavid types don’t need AHL time”

Do you believe this is true?

Do you believe it was correct to have QB in the AHL at 18? If you had it to do over again would you do things differently?

Do you believe it was correct to have Turcotte in the AHL at 19? If you had it to do over again would you do things differently?

Do you believe it was correct to have Bjornfot in the AHL at 18, and again at 22? If you had it to do over again would you do things differently?

Why am I supposed to think Clarke down there will be any different?

GBH, there is also the possibility that Nemec isn’t that good, I’m not sure that was a great draft for elite top end guys outside of Cooley. NJ has been very aggressive with putting guys into the NHL early, but aren’t here, might be a not great sign for him. Or maybe he got passes over by Hughes.

The point of the post is that Clarke should have been in the NHL this year, he’s good enough, his contract is an ELC and the Kings results from AHL usage has been poor (I think even you would concede that). Roy or Spence should have been traded to make room, probably Roy, in hopes of filling the massive hole in goal.
I'm not going to pretend that I spend as much time analyzing this shit as you do -- I have way better things to do. With that said, did Kempe play in the AHL? How about Vilardi...did he play? How about this kid Spence who's going to start with the big club this year....was he damaged too?
 

funky

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Because of a suspension.

A member of this organization once said “only the McDavid types don’t need AHL time”

Do you believe this is true?

Do you believe it was correct to have QB in the AHL at 18? If you had it to do over again would you do things differently?

Do you believe it was correct to have Turcotte in the AHL at 19? If you had it to do over again would you do things differently?

Do you believe it was correct to have Bjornfot in the AHL at 18, and again at 22? If you had it to do over again would you do things differently?

Why am I supposed to think Clarke down there will be any different?

GBH, there is also the possibility that Nemec isn’t that good, I’m not sure that was a great draft for elite top end guys outside of Cooley. NJ has been very aggressive with putting guys into the NHL early, but aren’t here, might be a not great sign for him. Or maybe he got passes over by Hughes.

The point of the post is that Clarke should have been in the NHL this year, he’s good enough, his contract is an ELC and the Kings results from AHL usage has been poor (I think even you would concede that). Roy or Spence should have been traded to make room, probably Roy, in hopes of filling the massive hole in goal.
This is for everyone and not just @Herby . I honestly don't know how we fix the goaltending. I am not mad at the PLD signing as he is exactly what the Dr ordered. I am however not happy with the Moore signing. I am under the belief a Turcotte or Laferriere could have held down that spot at 1/4 the price.

In a very perfect world Blake finds a high class goalie to trade for on a team that wants Roy as the trade chip back. Frees up a spot for Spence and Clarke but in my mind it severely hurts our right side on the PK. I guess the same could be said about trading Moore however I don't think he holds a lot of value at this time.

Lets try and get Clarke into the Lineup: Two ways to do that, trade Spence or Roy:

Can you think of a 1 for 1 trade involving Roy and his $3,150,000 contract for a goalie with that amount on his contract or less that would be available?

I guess we can hope they take Roy and Copley to give us about 3.75 dedicated to the goalie and the other $900,000 to spend on Clarke's callup.

At work right now so I cannot check but off the top of my head maybe Boston with Swayman but I think he has a short track record?


Lets try and trade Spence? We know what we have but do others? Plus he makes basically league minimum so we would need the same coming back.

He definitely wont fetch Wallstedt or Askarov. Would Calgary do Wolf? I don't think his value would be to far off the above 2 rookies. I am sure for those three the ask would be Clarke. Plus we get an unproven goalie back. We just did that dance with Peterson.

Would love to fish Saros out of Nashville but they would need to take both Moore, Copley, + another player off of us to make the cap work. Not an appealing package for Nashville.


Our current goaltending looks like dog shit. It shouldn't be this hard to replace one of them with someone better. Someone help Blake figure this out or we all better start praying Talbot finds the fountain of youth.
 
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