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DoktorJeep said:
How much is anyone profiting from fighting racism in ice hockey? Is it some kind of money maker?
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Wasn't speaking specifically about hockey. But there's plenty of hucksters selling programs, books, media, consultations ect on the premise of fighting racism.

Without racism, they wouldn't have a business. Thus the complex. The more they hype up racial tensions, the easier it is to sell their product.

Speaking of the Hockey Diversity Alliance, they do have programs, education, training and merch to offer. They're accepting donations of course. They have to hire people to run the whole thing as well.

I don't think everyone involved in the industry is malevolent, and I'm sure there's some good being done, but it has its fair share of grifters as well.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I don't think Bill Peters has done anything to show he is not still a piece of shit. It's pretty simple, there's no need for overarching/sweeping social commentary.
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What would you like him to do?
If he does a public apology it looks like he is doing it just to save face. There is no way for most of us to know what is genuine or not. I genuinely do not know the answer on what would make it ok for him to work again.
 
YP44 said:
What would you like him to do?
If he does a public apology it looks like he is doing it just to save face. There is no way for most of us to know what is genuine or not. I genuinely do not know the answer on what would make it ok for him to work again.
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He had many years to apologize to Akim but never did (according to Akim).

Any apology now would seem pretty insincere and probably is.

I don't like this being held against a person forever, but the person has to show some level of legitimate remorse. Similar situation with Mitchel Miller.
 
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Unfortunately everything has way to be monetized which is why the media loves race wars. They love the attention white on black anything creates. It’s unfortunate but there’s a reason why the media stokes those flames. If the media could make money running stories on furries then you can bet don lemon and tucker Carlson would be hopping into their onesies.

Simply put that’s why media loves bad news. No one besides Kopitar will watch ten hours of goldendoodles running along the shoreline to bask in their cuteness. But some person getting killed? FRONT PAGE BABY.
 
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YP44 said:
Peters has tried to apologize but Aliu does not feel it is genuine and will not take the call or allow for it. Which I think is completely fair and 100% up to Akim. This is why a different coach tried to bridge the gap.

One one hand sure sounds like Peters at least was a POS, on the other should he be punished his whole life? I am pretty split, but if Akim is not ready to forgive than I think his second chance should be differed till he does....which maybe never.
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From what I've read, Peters has only apologized when he's tried to get a job. Nevermind the years of dedication he's spent trying to obstruct Aliu from keeping his job as an NHL player, who apparently showed no misconduct after getting drafted (and in my brief search, his incident in juniors stems from not wanting to be hazed).

Peters isn't being punished his whole life. He's being outed as an insincere asshole who went out of his way to derail a young man's career after being a racist towards that same person.

Herby said:
The issue for me is that we as a society often applaud people when they turn their lives around after doing things that (sorry to say) were a lot more damaging than anything Bill Peters did. Someone who commits a felony and gets out of prison and turns their life around and does the right thing is cheered on (which I think is great), but we don't show the same kind of forgiveness for people who say the wrong things, and I find that pretty hypocritical. I have met Akim Aliu a couple of times, as he has become friends with one of my friends from HS, I don't think he wants to let this ever go, partially because he truly was hurt, and partially because he is making money now from this. No one ever wants to bring it up, but Peters name being in the news is good for business.
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1. Writing this off as "saying the wrong things" contributes to the problem. He went after Aliu's livelihood and did it from a position of influence and power. That power dynamic is what adds to the grossness of his conduct.

2. When you're only contrite to get something out of it, like a job, then you're full of shit. Where were his apologies or attempts to make amends right after he did it?

3. Those people who "committed felonies and turned their lives around" actually had to turn their lives around, on account of starting over, paying the price, etc. Peters was not an NHL coach for a few years, but was able to continue on with his life after having so many years of earning a living as a coach, with 22 years of experience. Are we comparing Peters' treatment to a prison sentence?
 
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King'sPawn said:
1. Writing this off as "saying the wrong things" contributes to the problem. He went after Aliu's livelihood and did it from a position of influence and power. That power dynamic is what adds to the grossness of his conduct.
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This part is so very important. It's not someone who chirped him on the ice with a racial slur. It's someone who tried to take their life away and, might have possibly done so. Aliu doesn't get a "do-over" after what happened to him, but so many people want to give Peters another shot because it's "terrible" that he's still having to deal with something he did years ago.
 
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Sol said:
Simply put that’s why media loves bad news. No one besides Kopitar will watch ten hours of goldendoodles running along the shoreline to bask in their cuteness. But some person getting killed? FRONT PAGE BABY.
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It's not that the media loves bad news, but the bad news is what gets talked about. Just look at this site. Win, everything is good. Lose? Every detail is looked at and scrutinized, no matter how small. How often do we bring up how Kopitar should not have been signed, in the 7+ years since that fateful day, when nothing can be done about it, and obviously the problem of him being here is going to continue for a few more years? The Cup wins though? We don't really even want to think about them anymore. What would we say about it anyway that hasn't already been said? How great it was? That's boring.

The media might suck, but you can't blame them for focusing on negatives. Two people said hello to each other today. Two people got into a fist fight today. One is just more interesting than the other.
 
the united states government has stoked racial divisiveness for ever so there's that. an effective control technique and a time wasting mechanism to avoid producing anything productive.
 
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Have you guys seen how many teams Aliu has played on since turning pro? 23 teams across 8 leagues.

I think there's a reason why he's a well traveled player, and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Hell, Rob Schremp (remember that guy) played on 15 different teams across 9 leagues. Some guys just have to make a living as a journeyman, but Aliu can't accept his fate and has to blame others for his failures.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
It's not that the media loves bad news, but the bad news is what gets talked about. Just look at this site. Win, everything is good. Lose? Every detail is looked at and scrutinized, no matter how small. How often do we bring up how Kopitar should not have been signed, in the 7+ years since that fateful day, when nothing can be done about it, and obviously the problem of him being here is going to continue for a few more years? The Cup wins though? We don't really even want to think about them anymore. What would we say about it anyway that hasn't already been said? How great it was? That's boring.

The media might suck, but you can't blame them for focusing on negatives. Two people said hello to each other today. Two people got into a fist fight today. One is just more interesting than the other.
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I would say the point of the league is to win the cup every year.
Winning the cup is all nice and dandy but the team is nowhere close to compete for the cup but is right at the cap ceiling and has no option to act or react to the season.

This is why people talk about Kopitar or the other people who actively prevent the Team from winning the cup
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Have you guys seen how many teams Aliu has played on since turning pro? 23 teams across 8 leagues.

I think there's a reason why he's a well traveled player, and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Hell, Rob Schremp (remember that guy) played on 15 different teams across 9 leagues. Some guys just have to make a living as a journeyman, but Aliu can't accept his fate and has to blame others for his failures.
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I mean, it's not that black and white, there's a lot of grey area here where both things are true: Aliu wasn't necessarily due an NHL career, but Peters pretty clearly was a dick who influenced that. I'd have a hard time 'accepting' my fate if I had a boss who glass ceiling'ed me early on and the company culture tacitly endorsed it too, whether I was going to be CEO or not.
 
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kingsholygrail said:
He's making more money now than he was before.
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I was speaking more about opportunity cost.

Kurrilino said:
I would say the point of the league is to win the cup every year.
Winning the cup is all nice and dandy but the team is nowhere close to compete for the cup but is right at the cap ceiling and has no option to act or react to the season.

This is why people talk about Kopitar or the other people who actively prevent the Team from winning the cup
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Most the league is up against the cap. The impact of Covid in having a flat cap to contracts that were signed before the pandemic as if the cap would continue to rise cannot be ignored.
 
Also, can we get the ice girls back? Pretty "woke" of the Kings to now have a mix of fully clothed guys and girls scooping the ice. Vegas, Arizona and Anaheim do not do this.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Also, can we get the ice girls back? Pretty "woke" of the Kings to now have a mix of fully clothed guys and girls scooping the ice. Vegas, Arizona and Anaheim do not do this.
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I'm pretty certain that "woke" just means "things I don't like" to y'all. It's a catch-all at this point where anything that alludes in any way to things being equal is, for some reason, something worth complaining about.

It's rich when people talk about racism as a nebulous thing that's created and pushed by sinister forces...and then also use the term "woke" as a pejorative that's only become a buzzword literally because of one dude on twitter suggesting they push that agenda to muddy the waters.
 
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I mean, I just want to interject here that there still is a thing called "racism" that is alive and well, and awful - it's not just something made up by the left for grifters and to drive an unjustified wedge between peoples (which is what racism does)... Just to be clear.
 
I guess Bill Peters completed anti-racism training recently. Hopefully he finds a way to not say the n word in public in the future. That’s the lowest bar for his second chance.
 
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