King'sPawn
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Who was feeding DeBrincat in juniors after McDavid was drafted?Two completely different types of forwards.
DeBrincat needs a feeder, Fiala creates himself.
Who was feeding DeBrincat in juniors after McDavid was drafted?Two completely different types of forwards.
DeBrincat needs a feeder, Fiala creates himself.
Who was feeding DeBrincat in juniors after McDavid was drafted?
Good question.Who was feeding DeBrincat in juniors after McDavid was drafted?
I don't think Faber was overlooked. It reminds me of trading Brayden Schenn. Sometimes you have to give up value to get value. I think it's a solid trade overall.It's splitting hairs on Fiala vs DeBrincat. Both are highly talented one-dimensional wingers, one more a finisher and one more a distributor.
But the Kings gave up way more valuable assets for Fiala. I don't get how Faber still gets so overlooked, my only guess is draft position?. He was B10 defender of the year twice, over guys like Power and Hughes, shined at the Olympics and immediately jumped into the NHL playoffs. Value wise Faber should be pretty similar to guys like Brandt Clarke and Luke Hughes.
Some people may have overlooked Faber (Not me I liked Faber) but I liked the trade because the Kings needed a top six forward way more then a top four defensemen. Kings PP was so much better when Fiala arrived. If Fiala (at100%) doesn't get hurt I think we would have gotten by Edmonton. Also Faber is not similar to Clarke or Hughes because they have more offensive upside where Faber is a stay at home type. Depending on how the player(s) drafted turn out to be I think both the Kings and Stars are happy. Not so much Ottawa as they are looking to trade DeBrincat after only one year.It's splitting hairs on Fiala vs DeBrincat. Both are highly talented one-dimensional wingers, one more a finisher and one more a distributor.
But the Kings gave up way more valuable assets for Fiala. I don't get how Faber still gets so overlooked, my only guess is draft position?. He was B10 defender of the year twice, over guys like Power and Hughes, shined at the Olympics and immediately jumped into the NHL playoffs. Value wise Faber should be pretty similar to guys like Brandt Clarke and Luke Hughes.
Strome played only 35 games that season. Who was feeding him the other 32 games?Good question.
Dylan Strome the next year after McDavid. (15-16)
Your point made the year after that. (16-17)
I always thought he had excellent players feeding him his whole career (juniors, Hawks, Sens).
He has always been a top notch hockey player, NHL minimized him because of size.
One thing i forget, did Fiala say he would only sign an extension with a limited amount of teams?It's splitting hairs on Fiala vs DeBrincat. Both are highly talented one-dimensional wingers, one more a finisher and one more a distributor.
But the Kings gave up way more valuable assets for Fiala. I don't get how Faber still gets so overlooked, my only guess is draft position?. He was B10 defender of the year twice, over guys like Power and Hughes, shined at the Olympics and immediately jumped into the NHL playoffs. Value wise Faber should be pretty similar to guys like Brandt Clarke and Luke Hughes.
Not sure why you're bringing up junior numbers but Debrincat played on an exceptionally talented OHL team that included Taylor Raddysh, Dylan Strome, Anthony Cirelli, Erik Cernak, Warren Foegele, and Darren Raddysh. Literally around 90 percent of his goals that season were assisted by at least one guy who played in the NHL last season.Strome played only 35 games that season. Who was feeding him the other 32 games?
Point is that DeBrincat is very talented on his own. Fiala isn't the defacto better player.
There was a claim that DeBrincat is the kind of player who needs other players to feed him. I brought up juniors because I know what people will say at the NHL level.Not sure why you're bringing up junior numbers but Debrincat played on an exceptionally talented OHL team that included Taylor Raddysh, Dylan Strome, Anthony Cirelli, Erik Cernak, Warren Foegele, and Darren Raddysh. Literally around 90 percent of his goals that season were assisted by at least one guy who played in the NHL last season.
Both are good players but Fiala does a lot more much better than Debrincat. For example,Strome played only 35 games that season. Who was feeding him the other 32 games?
Point is that DeBrincat is very talented on his own. Fiala isn't the defacto better player.
I agree Fiala had a better season. But you're drawing a conclusion based on one season instead of a body of work.Both are good players but Fiala does a lot more much better than Debrincat. For example,
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The same is true of the prior two seasons based on the microstats of how each performs in key areas of the game:I agree Fiala had a better season. But you're drawing a conclusion based on one season instead of a body of work.
I appreciate the time you took to do this. I'll concede that Fiala is slightly better than DeBrincat, but I say they are still in the same tier.The same is true of the prior two seasons based on the microstats of how each performs in key areas of the game:
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I agree that they’re both very good players. I think Fiala just does more things better overall but they’re both offensive drivers. I also agree that the Kings paid more for Fiala than the Wings paid for Debrincat. Between the continuing flat cap and the limited number of teams Debrincat apparently would sign an extension with, it does seem like Ottawa was a bit limited in where it could send Debrincat. The return could have been a lot better.I appreciate the time you took to do this. I'll concede that Fiala is slightly better than DeBrincat, but I say they are still in the same tier.
I still believe the Kings paid significantly more for Fiala than Detroit did for DeBrincat. The only way it would be a worse deal is if Boston tanks for two straight years and Ottawa gets a lottery pick out of it.
Propped up by a Chinese heiress iirc. It's definitely a shadow of its former self now. TMZ is more reliable.I thought the LA Times went out of business years ago.
It's splitting hairs on Fiala vs DeBrincat. Both are highly talented one-dimensional wingers, one more a finisher and one more a distributor.
But the Kings gave up way more valuable assets for Fiala. I don't get how Faber still gets so overlooked, my only guess is draft position?. He was B10 defender of the year twice, over guys like Power and Hughes, shined at the Olympics and immediately jumped into the NHL playoffs. Value wise Faber should be pretty similar to guys like Brandt Clarke and Luke Hughes.
KP--Strome played only 35 games that season. Who was feeding him the other 32 games?
Point is that DeBrincat is very talented on his own. Fiala isn't the defacto better player.
So he needed a major feeder in 2015-16, but didn't need one in 2016-17? Doesn't sound like someone who needs to feed him to be successful.KP--
'15-'16 Dylan Strome Erie Otters 56GP 37G 74A
I would say he was doing a pretty good job feeding Debrincat that year.
I stipulated in my post that you were correct about Debrincat not needing a major feeder in '16-'17.
Did you miss that part??
Yeah, draft position, 45th vs top 10. Also Faber is not considered to a be much of a scorer, Clarke and Hughes will probably outscore him 2 to 1.
OMG KP!So he needed a major feeder in 2015-16, but didn't need one in 2016-17? Doesn't sound like someone who needs to feed him to be successful.
Especially since last season was spent mostly with Shane Pinto and Drake Batherson: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/pl...&sit=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8479337
And you can look at the WOWY metrics (With/Without You) - both Stutzle and DeBrincat were better off without each other. Giroux boosted both, but DeBrincat spent more time with different linemates.