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Herby
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It's splitting hairs on Fiala vs DeBrincat. Both are highly talented one-dimensional wingers, one more a finisher and one more a distributor.
But the Kings gave up way more valuable assets for Fiala. I don't get how Faber still gets so overlooked, my only guess is draft position?. He was B10 defender of the year twice, over guys like Power and Hughes, shined at the Olympics and immediately jumped into the NHL playoffs. Value wise Faber should be pretty similar to guys like Brandt Clarke and Luke Hughes.
But the Kings gave up way more valuable assets for Fiala. I don't get how Faber still gets so overlooked, my only guess is draft position?. He was B10 defender of the year twice, over guys like Power and Hughes, shined at the Olympics and immediately jumped into the NHL playoffs. Value wise Faber should be pretty similar to guys like Brandt Clarke and Luke Hughes.
Good question.
Dylan Strome the next year after McDavid. (15-16)
Your point made the year after that. (16-17)
I always thought he had excellent players feeding him his whole career (juniors, Hawks, Sens).
He has always been a top notch hockey player, NHL minimized him because of size.
I don't think Faber was overlooked. It reminds me of trading Brayden Schenn. Sometimes you have to give up value to get value. I think it's a solid trade overall.
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Some people may have overlooked Faber (Not me I liked Faber) but I liked the trade because the Kings needed a top six forward way more then a top four defensemen. Kings PP was so much better when Fiala arrived. If Fiala (at100%) doesn't get hurt I think we would have gotten by Edmonton. Also Faber is not similar to Clarke or Hughes because they have more offensive upside where Faber is a stay at home type. Depending on how the player(s) drafted turn out to be I think both the Kings and Stars are happy. Not so much Ottawa as they are looking to trade DeBrincat after only one year.
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Strome played only 35 games that season. Who was feeding him the other 32 games?
Point is that DeBrincat is very talented on his own. Fiala isn't the defacto better player.
One thing i forget, did Fiala say he would only sign an extension with a limited amount of teams?
I am not a DeBrincat fan and thought Ottawa was dumb for paying what they did to get him in the first place, but I think he value was lowered due to his contract demands.
Not sure why you're bringing up junior numbers but Debrincat played on an exceptionally talented OHL team that included Taylor Raddysh, Dylan Strome, Anthony Cirelli, Erik Cernak, Warren Foegele, and Darren Raddysh. Literally around 90 percent of his goals that season were assisted by at least one guy who played in the NHL last season.
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Chazz Reinhold
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Both are good players but Fiala does a lot more much better than Debrincat. For example,
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I agree Fiala had a better season. But you're drawing a conclusion based on one season instead of a body of work.
Chazz Reinhold
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The same is true of the prior two seasons based on the microstats of how each performs in key areas of the game:
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I appreciate the time you took to do this. I'll concede that Fiala is slightly better than DeBrincat, but I say they are still in the same tier.
I still believe the Kings paid significantly more for Fiala than Detroit did for DeBrincat. The only way it would be a worse deal is if Boston tanks for two straight years and Ottawa gets a lottery pick out of it.
Chazz Reinhold
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I agree that they’re both very good players. I think Fiala just does more things better overall but they’re both offensive drivers. I also agree that the Kings paid more for Fiala than the Wings paid for Debrincat. Between the continuing flat cap and the limited number of teams Debrincat apparently would sign an extension with, it does seem like Ottawa was a bit limited in where it could send Debrincat. The return could have been a lot better.
Propped up by a Chinese heiress iirc. It's definitely a shadow of its former self now. TMZ is more reliable.
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Yeah, draft position, 45th vs top 10. Also Faber is not considered to a be much of a scorer, Clarke and Hughes will probably outscore him 2 to 1.
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'15-'16 Dylan Strome Erie Otters 56GP 37G 74A
I would say he was doing a pretty good job feeding Debrincat that year.
I stipulated in my post that you were correct about Debrincat not needing a major feeder in '16-'17.
Did you miss that part??
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So he needed a major feeder in 2015-16, but didn't need one in 2016-17? Doesn't sound like someone who needs to feed him to be successful.
Especially since last season was spent mostly with Shane Pinto and Drake Batherson: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/pl...&sit=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8479337
And you can look at the WOWY metrics (With/Without You) - both Stutzle and DeBrincat were better off without each other. Giroux boosted both, but DeBrincat spent more time with different linemates.
Herby
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The draft position thing is ridiculous, we are ignoring three pretty dominant seasons at the NCAA level, an Olympics and jumping right into the NHL and looking good because at age 17 he was evaluated poorly? Seems a bit ridiculous to me. And noted on the offensive part, but with Faber you are getting a player who can lock down other teams top players, you won't be getting that with Hughes or Clarke, nothing wrong with what any of them bring, all 3 are elite defensive prospects.
And as far as DeBrincat, for some reason with big-time goalscorers there is sometimes the need to say that they are a product of other players and never the other way around. DeBrincat was supposedly a product of McDavid, until he produced huge without McDavid, and then it was Strome, buit his final year in juniors he was a superstar even though Strome (who is a much lesser player, btw) only played half the season. You don't score an average of 55 goals a season in 3 OHL seasons and then come right into the NHL and have multiple 40 goal seasons before age 24 if you aren't one hell of a goal-scorer.
If anyone benefitted from playing with others on Erie it was Strome.
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I think the difference in value between the two players is the contracts. Fiala at 7 years verse Debrincat at only 4. The former is signifiantly more valuable IMO.
Technically, they're not signed to these deals when you make the trade. But lets be honest, these trades aren't made unless the acquiring team has already worked out a contract for the player.
Technically, they're not signed to these deals when you make the trade. But lets be honest, these trades aren't made unless the acquiring team has already worked out a contract for the player.
johnjm22
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OMG KP!
Through the years I always thought you used to be one of the most thoughtful and respectful people on this site.
Are you ok, seriously?
I have always learned from you and look forward to your posts.
Your reactions to me in this thread are unusual.
I conceded that you were right about Debrincat not needing a feeder in my original post.
I pointed out in my second post that you were again right.
And you are still coming at me.
Proving and reproving a point I conceded originally and repeated in my second post.
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