Around the league part 2

[lumbergh]

You can't go far in the playoffs as a one-trick pony. Yes the Oilers had the best power play in the history of ever, but they only managed 25 even strength goals in 16 games. You still play ~80% of the game at even strength. Vegas outscored the Oilers 18-9 at even strength.

The Oilers can certainly blow a team out for individual games, but when that power play is neutralized, they will lose the majority of those games.

 

[Lt Dan]

The Canadian cup drought will continue. All is right in the world again.

 

[Mattias]

They’re entitled. Their fans are entitled. They have the best player in the world. They have an entire national media apparatus pumping their tires nonstop through two rounds. Their coach whines to the media. Their fans cheer when referees are knocked over.

At some point they all started started telling themselves this fantasy of “it’s just a matter of time until…” And every year that “until” doesn’t come true, it psychologically breaks them.

Petulant, entitled children. This is why they lose. You want to talk about a toxic culture? Look at the Edmonton Oilers. All the textbook insecurities and inferiorities of a lonely alcoholic flyover city distilled into hockey form.

Sounds exactly like Vancouver fanbase from 2010-2012. I would routinely hear "this is their year" in the 2012 season...only to be smacked down by LA in 5.

This is a problem with major Canadian hockey teams. Hockey is a very, very big sport here. When teams start to have success and playoff wins there comes this crowd out of the woodwork who are entitled and difficult.

Then the dam breaks those entitled fans go back into the woods. If you attend a Canucks game now, for the most part the fanbase is quite friendly and welcoming.

Call it the circle of hockey life.

 

[KINGS17]

You love to see it.

Yeah, just keep serving alcohol to dumbass, angry, drunk people. It's always a good idea.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Sounds exactly like Vancouver fanbase from 2010-2012. I would routinely hear "this is their year" in the 2012 season...only to be smacked down by LA in 5.

This is a problem with major Canadian hockey teams. Hockey is a very, very big sport here. When teams start to have success and playoff wins there comes this crowd out of the woodwork who are entitled and difficult.

Then the dam breaks those entitled fans go back into the woods. If you attend a Canucks game now, for the most part the fanbase is quite friendly and welcoming.

Call it the circle of hockey life.

Exactly the team I thought of, after 2012, those guys all mellowed out. maybe that'll happen here now that this team is broken.

 

[Lt Dan]

Sounds exactly like Vancouver fanbase from 2010-2012. I would routinely hear "this is their year" in the 2012 season...only to be smacked down by LA in 5.

This is a problem with major Canadian hockey teams. Hockey is a very, very big sport here. When teams start to have success and playoff wins there comes this crowd out of the woodwork who are entitled and difficult.

Then the dam breaks those entitled fans go back into the woods. If you attend a Canucks game now, for the most part the fanbase is quite friendly and welcoming.

Call it the circle of hockey life.

 

[BigBrown]

I love how the Canadian media was already discussing a Leafs-Oilers final a week or two ago and now they're both out.

 

[King'sPawn]

Tin foil hat brigade is growing that the league is mandating refs to call more penalties against Canadian teams because the league wants to grow the game in less popular markets.

 

[chris kontos]

We don't have the D core to beat any of the top teams, even with Gavri. We just don't have the size to complete in long 7 game series. Nothing new here, just wish Blake would understand this.

its not like size and physicality is some new, breakthrough trend. winning playoff hockey has been this way as far back as i go- and im an old bastard.
there is a real trend to increase goal scoring, eliminate fighting and maximize speed. while i think some of this is a good idea, changing the nature of the sport will never work. there is a thing called accepted risk. these players know what there getting into. and as much as blake and his gang of morons want it to, it is my great hope that the nhl doesnt turn into major leauge soccer with a puck on ice. if im not mistaken our high school dropout team president has said he wants our fans and the team to be like soccer. f*** THAT.

 

[LAKings88]

Tin foil hat brigade is growing that the league is mandating refs to call more penalties against Canadian teams because the league wants to grow the game in less popular markets.

Exceptional whine up in that country.

 

[KingsFan7824]

he's making about 3x than he's worth. Id like to know the story behind that deal. They also have Campbell at wha 5x5? that a lot quid tied up in some mediocrity long term

It's probably a simple story; its not easy getting guys to go to Edmonton. If you lose one, you'll have to get another, and still overpay.

And GMs can only work with what they have. Can't not sign someone today because in 2 or 3 years this other guy might be available. In all likelihood, those other guys won't be available in a few years, and you have to put a team together now, so you do what you can. Same reason the Kings answer at one time was Ryan Smyth.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Draisaitl... What a fragile ego... including a massive flop in the 3rd period trying to draw a call.

What a nitwit this guy is. No surprise for a German to be honest.

Extremely not likeable.

 

[Bandit]

We can now resume our regularly scheduled "f*** Vegas" program.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

You can't go far in the playoffs as a one-trick pony. Yes the Oilers had the best power play in the history of ever, but they only managed 25 even strength goals in 16 games. You still play ~80% of the game at even strength. Vegas outscored the Oilers 18-9 at even strength.

The Oilers can certainly blow a team out for individual games, but when that power play is neutralized, they will lose the majority of those games.

Vegas controlled almost the entire series at even strength, it had to be a shock for the Oilers after the Kings series where the Kings game plan was to be as passive as possible. There is a LOT wrong with the Kings at the moment, but in that series McLellan got massively outcoached and never adjusted. You can't sit back against the Oilers, you are only trying to prolong your defeat.

Exactly the team I thought of, after 2012, those guys all mellowed out. maybe that'll happen here now that this team is broken.

They will continue to have McDavid and Draisaitl pile-up points while the hockey media verbally fellates them, nothing is changing anytime soon.

 

[Choralone]

What a nitwit this guy is. No surprise for a German to be honest.

Extremely not likeable.

 

[Herby]

So now you are back to arguing that every prospect is the same, and should be handled the same??

Kaliyev has MUCH more NHL games than AHL.....explain that
Vilardi, much more NHL than AHL....explain that

Byfield has 59 games in the AHL...not 150..where in the hell did that number come from? You said QB and Byfield, assuming you meant someone else?

Bjornfot has 95 gamese in the AHL and 116 in the NHL and 50 of those AHL games were this year, they clearly had a plan to play him FIRST in the AHL...right?

So which is it, are all prospects the same and should be treated the same? Or, do they all have different paths and obstacles to face?

Obviously talking about QB and Turcotte, sorry for the typo. But you could have added the numbers.

There are proven and successful ways to handle prospects like QB and Turcotte. The Kings went against those and the results have been horrible.

You truly believe other teams would have handled QB, Turcotte and Bjornfot the same?

 

[BigKing]

While dancing on the grave of the 2023 Oilers is fun, waking up to the potential nightmare of a Vegas Cup victory after six years of existence is a real dose of reality.

I wanted this Oilers team to lose more than I did Vegas but I also would have been more okay with Edmonton winning the whole thing than Vegas. I hate it all.

 

[Mattias]

You could totally super impose the oilers logo with Mufasa and McDavid as Simba.

Canadian sports media outlets would be all the animals bowing down.

 

[Lt Dan]

Vegas controlled almost the entire series at even strength, it had to be a shock for the Oilers after the Kings series where the Kings game plan was to be as passive as possible. There is a LOT wrong with the Kings at the moment, but in that series McLellan got massively outcoached and never adjusted. You can't sit back against the Oilers, you are only trying to prolong your defeat.

In other words, our coach blows

 

[FSL KINGS]

Vegas controlled almost the entire series at even strength, it had to be a shock for the Oilers after the Kings series where the Kings game plan was to be as passive as possible. There is a LOT wrong with the Kings at the moment, but in that series McLellan got massively outcoached and never adjusted. You can't sit back against the Oilers, you are only trying to prolong your defeat.


They will continue to have McDavid and Draisaitl pile-up points while the hockey media verbally fellates them, nothing is changing anytime soon.

It's almost like the key to defeating the Oilers is to cycle in their zone at 5v5 & laugh as their team defense blows routine coverages?

 

[Lt Dan]

Exceptional whine up in that country.

what amazes me is that every other hockey fan can see exactly what is wrong with the Oilers and Leafs other than their fans. I blame the media for pumping their tires too hard for views and clicks.

 

[raswilliam]

 

[Frolov 6'3]

While dancing on the grave of the 2023 Oilers is fun, waking up to the potential nightmare of a Vegas Cup victory after six years of existence is a real dose of reality.

I wanted this Oilers team to lose more than I did Vegas but I also would have been more okay with Edmonton winning the whole thing than Vegas. I hate it all.

I am not from “there” but I never really understood the hatred.

From the beginning Vegas has been a steady playoff contender. Even last year when they missed the playoffs, they were snake bitten. Their jerseys are beautiful.

I predicted them as winner and only contender from the Pacific. I love it that the Oilers are out and we would not have won from the Knights anyway. That gives some rest.

 

[BigKing]

I am not from “there” but I never really understood the hatred.

From the beginning Vegas has been a steady playoff contender. Even last year when they missed the playoffs, they were snake bitten. Their jerseys are beautiful.

I predicted them as winner and only contender from the Pacific. I love it that the Oilers are out and we would not have won from the Knights anyway. That gives some rest.

Worst visiting fans in the league starting with their first season.

They've toned down since then as they settled in and realized that you don't just make the SCF every year but they were insufferable up until COVID.

That said, I don't dislike the Seattle team at all but I do not want them to win a Cup in their second year of existence. I don't want any expansion team to win that early. I've heard all the arguments about why that is petty and how it is good for the game: I completely understand. I also don't need my "fan-way of thinking" to be rational so I don't want any fanbase to not have to suffer like I did before having their team win the Cup.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Obviously talking about QB and Turcotte, sorry for the typo. But you could have added the numbers.

There are proven and successful ways to handle prospects like QB and Turcotte. The Kings went against those and the results have been horrible.

You truly believe other teams would have handled QB, Turcotte and Bjornfot the same?

Wasn't sure, and in the morning rush...wasn't looking at it that closely....

Other teams would have had different situations, so who knows, there's not many teams that have a Kopitar as a 1C...so those that don't, those that aren't concerned about winning right away, are going to make different decisions....just look at Zegras in Anaheim....he started in Anaheim, then got sent down to the AHL....had Getzlaf there, Getzlaf retired, Zegras took over, because A. Getzlaf retired, and B. there was ZERO expectation of winning..

Again....do all prospects develop the same way? The answer of course is no......so each team has to take an individual tactic in that prospects development,

Tell me why Anderson only played 53 games in the AHL vs Bjornfot's 95? Kaliyev's 40 vs Byfield's 95.....etc

If LA had the narrative of, you do this, then this, then this, and then this.....and each this is a step in the ladder, wouldn't most all prospects hover around the same # of games played etc?

I'm not arguing right or wrong....I'm saying that the narrative you think they have, the numbers 100% do not add up to it.....If they did, Kaliyev would have more than 40 games, Vilardi would have more than 45, all of our prospects, Kaliyev, QB, Turcotte, Bjornfot, Anderson, JAD, etc, every last one of them would have more AHL games than NHL games...and they would all be around the same amount.