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TMLBlueandWhite said:
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Raptors worth over $1B more than Leafs, Blue Jays: report | Offside

While Canada might have a reputation as a hockey-first country, the NBA's Toronto Raptors remain the nation's most valuable team.
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The problem with the Leafs is that ownership now has their fingers in all kinds of other projects.

The Leafs are no longer priority number one. What was once the crown jewel of the operation has taken a backseat. To other teams in other "sports".

The real truth is that Rogers and Bell DON'T WANT the Leafs to win.

They want the Jays to win.
They want the Raptors to win.
They want the soccer team to win.

They don't care if the Leafs win.

Because the Leafs are a shrinking part of their business. So they focus on loserball instead. Eventually they will stop caring about the Leafs all together.

Hopefully at that point they sell it to an individual owner more interested in winning cups, and leaving a legacy behind, than growing a stupid sports media empire monopoly.
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:laugh: That's some funny shit right there. :clap:
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
dailyhive.com

Raptors worth over $1B more than Leafs, Blue Jays: report | Offside

While Canada might have a reputation as a hockey-first country, the NBA's Toronto Raptors remain the nation's most valuable team.
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The problem with the Leafs is that ownership now has their fingers in all kinds of other projects.

The Leafs are no longer priority number one. What was once the crown jewel of the operation has taken a backseat. To other teams in other "sports".

The real truth is that Rogers and Bell DON'T WANT the Leafs to win.

They want the Jays to win.
They want the Raptors to win.
They want the soccer team to win.

They don't care if the Leafs win.

Because the Leafs are a shrinking part of their business. So they focus on loserball instead. Eventually they will stop caring about the Leafs all together.

Hopefully at that point they sell it to an individual owner more interested in winning cups, and leaving a legacy behind, than growing a stupid sports media empire monopoly.
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That’s some messed up logic right there.
 
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Fogelhund said:
That’s some messed up logic right there.
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Thanks for the response.

Every team ML$E owns has won their respective championship recently except the Leafs. All those teams, except the Argos, are also growing faster than the Leafs. The Raptors are worth more than the Leafs and Jays combined.

If you were ML$E, which teams would you be more interested in promoting and growing?
 
TMLBlueandWhite said:
Thanks for the response.

Every team ML$E owns has won their respective championship recently except the Leafs. All those teams, except the Argos, are also growing faster than the Leafs. The Raptors are worth more than the Leafs and Jays combined.

If you were ML$E, which teams would you be more interested in promoting and growing?
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So you actually believe that businesses will ignore profitable lines of business? LOL
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Thanks for the response.

Every team ML$E owns has won their respective championship recently except the Leafs. All those teams, except the Argos, are also growing faster than the Leafs. The Raptors are worth more than the Leafs and Jays combined.

If you were ML$E, which teams would you be more interested in promoting and growing?
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The raps value has more to do with the NBAs world wide value then anything. It would be like if the Jags were in Toronto. They'd be worth more as well.

Didn't Larry T just sell his shares for an insane amount of money?

The leafs are basically the stable piggy bank that allows the others to grow
 
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That's stupid, of course they want the Leafs to win. You think they would rather make less money?
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Thanks for the response.

Win or lose, the team makes gobs and gobs of money. I don't think it matters much to ML$E's bottom line if the Leafs win the cup. The Leafs are a rapidly shrinking part of their growing sports media empire.

Hockey is quickly losing ground to other sports.

It's only a matter of time until the Leafs will be an insignificant portion of ML$E's holdings. The Raptors will be a juggernaut by comparison. Hopefully there will be a change in ownership by then.

An individual with something to prove instead of two companies all about making a buck.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Thanks for the response.

Win or lose, the team makes gobs and gobs of money. I don't think it matters much to ML$E's bottom line if the Leafs win the cup. The Leafs are a rapidly shrinking part of their growing sports media empire.

Hockey is quickly losing ground to other sports.

It's only a matter of time until the Leafs will be an insignificant portion of ML$E's holdings. The Raptors will be a juggernaut by comparison. Hopefully there will be a change in ownership by then.

An individual with something to prove instead of two companies all about making a buck.
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I don't disagree with some of your points about the sport as a whole losing ground, but I do think it's silly to think the Leafs will be a insignificant any time soon, or that MLSE doesn't want them to win.
 
The Leafs made a quarter billion in revenue in 2022, and a profit of $116 million.
The Raptors made $299 million in revenue in 2022, and a profit of $86 million.
The Blue Jays had $294 million in revenue in 2022, with a loss of $34 million.

Now what was that about the Leafs being unimportant?

Even if it's a shrinking percentage of the business, it's still very profitable, and the MOST profitable recently.

All figures courtesy of Forbes.

The Leafs make an as much as additional $7 million in revenue, for each playoff home game. So please explain, why the ownership would prefer to not have an additional $7 mil per playoff home game, and not care about winning? Please explain why the currently most profitable enterprise isn't important? It's a cash cow.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Thanks for the response.

Win or lose, the team makes gobs and gobs of money. I don't think it matters much to ML$E's bottom line if the Leafs win the cup. The Leafs are a rapidly shrinking part of their growing sports media empire.

Hockey is quickly losing ground to other sports.

It's only a matter of time until the Leafs will be an insignificant portion of ML$E's holdings. The Raptors will be a juggernaut by comparison. Hopefully there will be a change in ownership by then.

An individual with something to prove instead of two companies all about making a buck.
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You're confusing Incompetence with Indifference.
Of course they want to win, it takes no extra effort on their part.
They just aren't very good at it.
 
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The Arizona Coyotes issued the following statement today.
"We can confirm that Coyotes Owner, Chairman & Governor Alex Meruelo has executed a Letter of Intent to purchase a parcel of land located in Mesa, Arizona to be the potential site for a sports arena and entertainment district for the Club. The Coyotes remain committed to building the first privately funded sports facility in Arizona history and ensuring the Valley as the Club's permanent home. In addition to this property in Mesa, the Club will continue to explore other potential sites in the East Valley.

Also...

"Our incredibly loyal and passionate fan base is extremely excited about our team and the incredible additions we've made this summer including Matt Dumba, Jason Zucker, Alex Kerfoot, Nick Bjugstad, Troy Stecher, Sean Durzi and the top prospect in the world, Logan Cooley.
 
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ACC1224 said:
You're confusing Incompetence with Indifference.
Of course they want to win, it takes no extra effort on their part.
They just aren't very good at it.
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Thanks for the response.

You're right, the better term would be "don't care" if they win. Either way I'm pretty sure they would rather the Raptors win again before the Leafs. I just don't see a future where the Leafs can keep pace with the loserball sports.

Rogers and Bell clearly see where the profit margins are growing the fastest and investing all their money into those sports.

It's only a matter of time before ML$E become TR$E.
 
rocketman588 said:
The raps value has more to do with the NBAs world wide value then anything. It would be like if the Jags were in Toronto. They'd be worth more as well.

Didn't Larry T just sell his shares for an insane amount of money?

The leafs are basically the stable piggy bank that allows the others to grow
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Thanks for the response.

If the Leafs are the piggy bank, then the Raptors are the money tree.

Last I heard Tanenbaum is trying to buy Chelsea, so he sold a chunk of his shares to OMERS for almost a billion dollars.

The deal values ML$E's combined assets at $8B.
 
TMLBlueandWhite said:
Thanks for the response.

You're right, the better term would be "don't care" if they win. Either way I'm pretty sure they would rather the Raptors win again before the Leafs. I just don't see a future where the Leafs can keep pace with the loserball sports.

Rogers and Bell clearly see where the profit margins are growing the fastest and investing all their money into those sports.

It's only a matter of time before ML$E become TR$E.
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Of course they care if they win. There is no reason why they wouldn't care if they win, they aren't indifferent to it..
They would rather they both win.
 
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ACC1224 said:
Of course they care if they win. There is no reason why they wouldn't care if they win, they aren't indifferent to it..
They would rather they both win.
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I get what you're saying now.

Lol. They want to win. They're just too dumb to figure out how to do it.

Won't get an argument from me on that one.
 
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Individual owners are a big risk. They're much more prone to penny pinching when their personal finances come under pressure.

Also literally the worst ownership in the history of the Leafs was an individual.

There's reasons to dislike MLSE, but they've always been willing to spend on the team and seemingly don't overly interfere in hockey ops decisions.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
I get what you're saying now.

Lol. They want to win. They're just too dumb to figure out how to do it.

Won't get an argument from me on that one.
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I dont understand this conversation. What could ownership realistically do boost the on ice product to win? The leafs already have several advantages from staff to facilities to real time cash - what cpuld they legit do?

I can only think of one thing that might be a viable point in all this
 
andora said:
I dont understand this conversation. What could ownership realistically do boost the on ice product to win? The leafs already have several advantages from staff to facilities to real time cash - what cpuld they legit do?

I can only think of one thing that might be a viable point in all this
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What is it?
 
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