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Fogelhund said:
Interesting...

Svech after 3 years, 205 games, 140 points. 0.68 PPG 9.51% of the cap
Nylander at time of signing - 185 games, 135 points 0.72 PPG 8.76% of the cap
Marner at time of signing 241 games, 224 points 0.93 PPG 13.38% of cap.

Both Nylander and Marner had outperformed Svech, at the time of their contract signings.... Marner significantly so. Marner is overpaid, probably by $1.5 million. The Svech contract is pretty in line with Nylander's, given it's eight years though.
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Nylander ppg was overstated due to not playing in the NHL in 2015 and most of 2016. While Svechnikov made it right away as a D+1 player

Svechnikov was considerably better than Nylander on his ELC but worse than Marner

His 8 year term is incredible for the Canes as we saw how none of our 3 guys gave us term beyond 6 years all while having very high AAV

Marner should be making 9.25x8 he's about 1.5M better than Svechnikov and Nylander should be on a 7x8 deal if we want to make his deal fair with Svechnikovs
 
hamzarocks said:
Nylander ppg was overstated due to not playing in the NHL in 2015 and most of 2016. While Svechnikov made it right away as a D+1 player

Svechnikov was considerably better than Nylander on his ELC but worse than Marner

His 8 year term is incredible for the Canes as we saw how none of our 3 guys gave us term beyond 6 years all while having very high AAV

Marner should be making 9.25x8 he's about 1.5M better than Svechnikov and Nylander should be on a 7x8 deal if we want to make his deal fair with Svechnikovs
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The eight year term certainly is great for the Canes, win there.

You aren't far off on Marner... the mathematical models had him at $9.4 mil... as I said about $1.5 overpayment, but should have been eight years, not six... agreed.

I'm not sure how Svech was "considerably better" than Nylander on his ELC.. explain?
 
Canes might have the best cap situation in the league other than the Lightning. They refused to fix their goaltending once again though, despite having the funds.
 
Fogelhund said:
The eight year term certainly is great for the Canes, win there.

You aren't far off on Marner... the mathematical models had him at $9.4 mil... as I said about $1.5 overpayment, but should have been eight years, not six... agreed.

I'm not sure how Svech was "considerably better" than Nylander on his ELC.. explain?
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Hey came into the league 2 years younger than Nylander. His role in his D+1 was that of a 3rd line player getting 14ish minutes a night, he made an impact for the Canes as a 18 year old which Nylander wasn't able to do on the leafs.

Svechnikov in his D+2 had as good a season as Nylander in his D+6 season with 61 in 68 and he did this without having a Matthews level linemate. He didn't play with Aho or TT. He was 3rd on the Canes in points

D+3 has 42 in 55. A bit of a down regular season but once again is a top 3 producer for the Canes. Nylander in 2017 and 2018 was not as important to the leafs despite being older.

Svechnikov was able to adjust tonthe NHL faster than Nylander, was able to impact the game for his team at a higher level with worse linemates, and was a better playoff producer than Nylander with 20 in 26 vs nylander who had 11 in his first 20

Nylander if being compared to Svechnikov should have gotten what he did on a 8 year deal not 6 year

6.96 x 8 vs 7.75 x 8 would have been fair deals for both players coming off of their ELCs

Nylander getting 2 less years makes the deal worse than Svechnikovs
 
Korg said:
I'm not big on Mrazek or his contract. There were several available goalies I would've preferred. Hoping he'll leave me pleasantly surprised though.
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Mrazek may have one of the best bang for buck contracts for goalies this year. Andersen received 4.5 x 2 and has been one of the worst starting goalies (and goalies in general) the past two years... and that is with our defense helping him out a lot. He would probably be well below .900 both years without our defense.

Ullmark and Grubauer received huge deals. Not sure there was anyone else better than Mrazek out there other than those two, and even Ullmark has question marks.

Only contract better than Mrazek's may have been Driedger's, but he too is a big risk and went to Seattle for an opportunity we could not provide (may be regretting it with Grubauer there now though).
 
Dekes For Days said:
Pretty consistent with his comparable on the Leafs (Nylander).
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8 years...

The leafs only get 5 of Nyalnder (as the first "semi" year didn't even count as he was a disgrace of a player after missing camp/preseason).

Imagine a gm that get similar players on longer term without writing off the first season of the contract.

Guess this is what happens when you don't have a rookie who is "learning as he goes".
 
Dekes For Days said:
Aho and Teravainen were his #1 and #3 most common linemates through both his ELC and in that specific year, for the record.
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Your right, thought he played with J.Staal on his ELC a lot more than he did. Makes the deal more comparable with Nylander though they managed to get 2 more years of additional term which we didn't.

Overall Svech is definitely closer to Nylander then Marner as a player player contract comparison
 
Dekes For Days said:
Nylander got 6 years. He was a bit better over his ELC. Nylander got 8.76% for 6 years. Svechnikov got 9.51% for 8 years. Pretty consistent.
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Nylander was only "better" over elc if you include Svech's rookie year where Nylander could barely even crack the nhl.

Final two elc years:

Nylander: .25 gpg, .74 ppg.
Svechnikov: .32 gpg, .84 ppg

What a joke. A complete and total f***ing joke.
 
Sean Couterier signs for 8 years 7.75M. Damn that's tough to see. I don't know if Tavares is a better player than Couterier at this point and if so he isn't 3.25M better

The flyers got a really good deal
 
hamzarocks said:
Sean Couterier signs for 8 years 7.75M. Damn that's tough to see. I don't know if Tavares is a better player than Couterier at this point and if so he isn't 3.25M better

The flyers got a really good deal
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That is an amazing deal for the Flyers. Couts got well under market value there.
 
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Fogelhund said:
That is an amazing deal for the Flyers. Couts got well under market value there.
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Will be very good for 5 years. The flyers really need to find a way to contend yearly and stop having down years.

They should be a top team in the metro yearly and contending heavily. They had so many picks from 2013 to 2017 and a lot of their prospects need to make an impact for them.

They have Giroux coming up for a new deal in a year. He should take a pay cut due to age and decline in performance..
 
hamzarocks said:
Sean Couterier signs for 8 years 7.75M. Damn that's tough to see. I don't know if Tavares is a better player than Couterier at this point and if so he isn't 3.25M better

The flyers got a really good deal
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John Tavares was always better and still better than Sean is. That's not a knock on Sean

When Couterier finally gets 80+ points, maybe 45+ goals in a season, we can start that conversation
John did that primarily playing in a lousy Islanders team for long long time

Also Tavares was an UFA vs internal signings. Not the same
 
Throw More Waffles said:
Nylander was only "better" over elc if you include Svech's rookie year
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You can't just remove seasons you don't like. You can bump up and down a bit based on age, linemate quality, and league-wide scoring levels, but overall it essentially offsets. You're left with Nylander being a bit better over his ELC, and Nylander getting 8.76% for 6 years while Svechnikov gets 9.51% for 8 years. Pretty consistent.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
That Couturier contract also takes him to age 37, for the record.
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Hard to predict how that plays out, but I'm guessing the Flyers are thinking shorter term... of course Courturier's closest NHL comparable is Bergeron, who signed an eight year deal, just before his 28th birthday, that will expire when he's 36, nearly 37. 10.69% of cap hit, while Couts is 9.51%... I doubt anyone in the Bruins organization regrets signing Bergeron to a very similar deal, at a very similar age.
 
Dekes For Days said:
You can't just remove seasons you don't like. You can bump up and down a bit based on age, linemate quality, and league-wide scoring levels, but overall it essentially offsets. You're left with Nylander being a bit better over his ELC, and Nylander getting 8.76% for 6 years while Svechnikov gets 9.51% for 8 years. Pretty consistent.
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So Nylander not being good enough to have a full nhl rookie year earns him MORE money. And Svechnikov being good enough to have full nhl rooki year LOSES him money.

This is next level...

This is always what happens in these threads. To make sense of these overpayments, you treat every elc year as equal value. Which is just silly.

It took draft year + 4 for Nylander to pass what Svech did at draft year +1.

It took draft year + 7 for Nylander to match what Svech did in draft year +2.

A complete and total joke.
 
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Really it’s unfair to only mention Marner whenever a new contract is signed for far better term and value, Matthews is in the same boat. Both contracts are awful
 
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Fogelhund said:
Hard to predict how that plays out, but I'm guessing the Flyers are thinking shorter term... of course Courturier's closest NHL comparable is Bergeron, who signed an eight year deal, just before his 28th birthday, that will expire when he's 36, nearly 37. 10.69% of cap hit, while Couts is 9.51%... I doubt anyone in the Bruins organization regrets signing Bergeron to a very similar deal, at a very similar age.
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Oh, the Flyers are definitely thinking shorter term. They did it to help lower his cap hit during potential contending years. I doubt Boston regrets signing Bergeron, but not sure that's really the common progression path, and Bergeron has been sheltered quite a bit offensively by having Marchand and Pastrnak stuck to his hip in recent years.
 
hamzarocks said:
Hey came into the league 2 years younger than Nylander. His role in his D+1 was that of a 3rd line player getting 14ish minutes a night, he made an impact for the Canes as a 18 year old which Nylander wasn't able to do on the leafs.

Svechnikov in his D+2 had as good a season as Nylander in his D+6 season with 61 in 68 and he did this without having a Matthews level linemate. He didn't play with Aho or TT. He was 3rd on the Canes in points

D+3 has 42 in 55. A bit of a down regular season but once again is a top 3 producer for the Canes. Nylander in 2017 and 2018 was not as important to the leafs despite being older.

Svechnikov was able to adjust tonthe NHL faster than Nylander, was able to impact the game for his team at a higher level with worse linemates, and was a better playoff producer than Nylander with 20 in 26 vs nylander who had 11 in his first 20

Nylander if being compared to Svechnikov should have gotten what he did on a 8 year deal not 6 year

6.96 x 8 vs 7.75 x 8 would have been fair deals for both players coming off of their ELCs

Nylander getting 2 less years makes the deal worse than Svechnikovs
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His most common linemates that season were Aho and TT...
 
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