Tidbits: Around the League: NHL News - Part 3

[AKL]

They have him on a line with Eriksson and Galchenyuk. Has only had a few shifts so far, hasn't stood out at all. By contrast, Smith has looked fast and has been more physically engaged so far.

 

[Minnewildsota]

They have him on a line with Eriksson and Galchenyuk. Has only had a few shifts so far, hasn't stood out at all. By contrast, Smith has looked fast and has been more physically engaged so far.

He’ll probably stick in the NHL, like Johan Larsson. Will you notice him? No, not really. But every once in a while, you’ll play against his tan and think, “oh yeah, he still plays hockey”

 

[ShortPeter6]

Awfully convenient.

But it doesn’t need to be fixed. What a joke, close the loophole already.

 

[MuckOG]

Awfully convenient.

Amazing how these guys just happened to get hurt at the right time, eh?

 

[Wabit]

Awfully convenient.

Carrier last played 24 MAR. Brossoit last played 15 MAR. Both were put on the injury list in late MAR. Patrick last played 24 MAR and has been on and off IR all season.

It's not some vast conspiracy. This LTIR is a normal paperwork move.

 

[Wild11MN]

Carrier last played 24 MAR. Brossoit last played 15 MAR. Both were put on the injury list in late MAR. Patrick last played 24 MAR and has been on and off IR all season.

It's not some vast conspiracy. This LTIR is a normal paperwork move.

I'm aware. It's awfully convenient is what I'm saying.

 

[Wabit]

I'm aware. It's awfully convenient is what I'm saying.

Pretty sure it would have been much more convenient for VGK to have their PPG, Selke level FWD (Stone) healthy for the season and not be currently outside of the Playoff picture.

MN played this same IR/LTIR game with Parise for years.

 

[ShortPeter6]

Pretty sure it would have been much more convenient for VGK to have their PPG, Selke level FWD (Stone) healthy for the season and not be currently outside of the Playoff picture.

MN played this same IR/LTIR game with Parise for years.

Wouldn’t have been able to activate Eichel without trading away salary if he was healthy.

 

[57special]

Kahk saved 40 of 41 shots in a losing start against NSH. Goal was with 1:42 left in the 3rd- ouch.

 

[Wabit]

Wouldn’t have been able to activate Eichel without trading away salary if he was healthy.

That would have been worked out sooner instead of a failed TDL cap dump.

 

[MuckOG]

Carrier last played 24 MAR. Brossoit last played 15 MAR. Both were put on the injury list in late MAR. Patrick last played 24 MAR and has been on and off IR all season.

It's not some vast conspiracy. This LTIR is a normal paperwork move.

Then what would've prevented VGK from putting these players on LTIR in late March? Is there some reason why they would wait until Stone is coincidently healthy again?

 

[Bazeek]

Then what would've prevented VGK from putting these players on LTIR in late March? Is there some reason why they would wait until Stone is coincidently healthy again?

There's probably more to this, but:

To qualify for LTIR a player has to miss 10 games and 24 days, so putting them on immediately involves a commitment. Alternatively, waiting for them to hit those requirements first and placing them on LTIR "retroactively" has basically no downside (or at least none that I know of). So most teams seem to do the latter unless they're desperate enough for cap space that they'll do it "early."

 

[Wabit]

Then what would've prevented VGK from putting these players on LTIR in late March? Is there some reason why they would wait until Stone is coincidently healthy again?

LTIR is only good if a team needs the extra (over the cap) cap space. VGK didn't need that extra cap space at the time. LTIR is 24 days and 10 games missed. It can also be retroactively dated to the injury date to account for days/games missed. So it only gets used when it is needed.

I don't know what the exact injuries are for the VGK players they added to LTIR. But if they are backdated to 25 MAR then it's not hard meet the 24/10 requirement when they are already on 20/7 of that. At the time of the injury it might not have been known they wouldn't be healthy until the requirements are met.

Just like plain IR (out 7 days) is only good if you need/want the extra roster spot. It's why Dumba and Merrill aren't listed as on IR for MN. They could put them there, but it is just a paperwork shuffle that means nothing to the roster.

Or another example of LTIR is Little. He hasn't played since NOV of 2019. He was on LTIR in WIN (they needed the cap space), but when he was traded/dumped to AZ this TDL they just put him on regular IR. AZ just needed/wanted the roster spot and they are under the cap so LTIR cap space in AZ is $0.

 

[Wabit]

There's probably more to this, but:

To qualify for LTIR a player has to miss 10 games and 24 days, so putting them on immediately involves a commitment. Alternatively, waiting for them to hit those requirements first and placing them on LTIR "retroactively" has basically no downside (or at least none that I know of). So most teams seem to do the latter unless they're desperate enough for cap space that they'll do it "early."

They also have to medically justify LTIR at the time of it's use. So say a recovery window is 2-4 weeks then it can't be used right away. Concussions are another one that is hard to justify LTIR right away. It could be a very long recovery, or someone is okay right away.

 

[TaLoN]

LTIR is only good if a team needs the extra (over the cap) cap space. VGK didn't need that extra cap space at the time. LTIR is 24 days and 10 games missed. It can also be retroactively dated to the injury date to account for days/games missed. So it only gets used when it is needed.

I don't know what the exact injuries are for the VGK players they added to LTIR. But if they are backdated to 25 MAR then it's not hard meet the 24/10 requirement when they are already on 20/7 of that. At the time of the injury it might not have been known they wouldn't be healthy until the requirements are met.

Just like plain IR (out 7 days) is only good if you need/want the extra roster spot. It's why Dumba and Merrill aren't listed as on IR for MN. They could put them there, but it is just a paperwork shuffle that means nothing to the roster.

Or another example of LTIR is Little. He hasn't played since NOV of 2019. He was on LTIR in WIN (they needed the cap space), but when he was traded/dumped to AZ this TDL they just put him on regular IR. AZ just needed/wanted the roster spot and they are under the cap so LTIR cap space in AZ is $0.

Fans just WANT there to be some deep conspiracy to game the system.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Fans just WANT there to be some deep conspiracy to game the system.

I don't see it's a deep conspiracy; Vegas tried to trade Dadonov a few weeks ago - what was Vegas' plan after that? Were they going to activate Stone? Were they going to call up another player in place of Dadonov?

I think something that fans have questions about is if Dadonov was traded, would Stone have come back then and there?

 

[TaLoN]

I don't see it's a deep conspiracy; Vegas tried to trade Dadonov a few weeks ago - what was Vegas' plan after that? Were they going to activate Stone? Were they going to call up another player in place of Dadonov?

I think something that fans have questions about is if Dadonov was traded, would Stone have come back then and there?

You know he's dealing with what Zach dealt with, right? Back injuries are fickle, serious and chronic.

Stone was trying to play through it... then couldn't anymore. Maybe he's reached a point where he's going to try again, but I seriously doubt he's anywhere close to 100%.

 

[kfan22]

RIP to former North Star Tom McCarthy !

 

[ShortPeter6]

I don't see it's a deep conspiracy; Vegas tried to trade Dadonov a few weeks ago - what was Vegas' plan after that? Were they going to activate Stone? Were they going to call up another player in place of Dadonov?

I think something that fans have questions about is if Dadonov was traded, would Stone have come back then and there?

Great point and like you I think it is BS unlike most on here.

 

[57special]

RIP to former North Star Tom McCarthy !

The Smith - McCarthy - Payne line were one of the great NHL lines for a while.

 

[thestonedkoala]

You know he's dealing with what Zach dealt with, right? Back injuries are fickle, serious and chronic.

Stone was trying to play through it... then couldn't anymore. Maybe he's reached a point where he's going to try again, but I seriously doubt he's anywhere close to 100%.

Which highlights how terrible Minnesota used LTIR and cap space - honestly how selfish Koivu and Parise were. Both of them had injuries that could be classified as LTIR. It's amazing how Parise kept playing, but Stone ended up on the LTIR.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Which highlights how terrible Minnesota used LTIR and cap space - honestly how selfish Koivu and Parise were. Both of them had injuries that could be classified as LTIR. It's amazing how Parise kept playing, but Stone ended up on the LTIR.

didnt Parise sit out a good portion due to back injury?

 

[thestonedkoala]

didnt Parise sit out a good portion due to back injury?

I don't think he was stored on LTIR. Nor was it an option that Guerin looked at. Though I don't know if Parise doesn't just retire if he was going on LTIR.

 

[TaLoN]

Which highlights how terrible Minnesota used LTIR and cap space - honestly how selfish Koivu and Parise were. Both of them had injuries that could be classified as LTIR. It's amazing how Parise kept playing, but Stone ended up on the LTIR.

You know how long Stone tried playing through his back injury AGAINST Doctors advice? Just because he finally listened for a while and went on LTIR doesn't mean anything in terms of Zach.

NHL players are known for trying to play when they probably shouldn't. Remember, Brunette played with a torn ACL.

 

[Wabit]

You know how long Stone tried playing through his back injury AGAINST Doctors advice? Just because he finally listened for a while and went on LTIR doesn't mean anything in terms of Zach.

NHL players are known for trying to play when they probably shouldn't. Remember, Brunette played with a torn ACL.

ZP played against doctor advice though the pain also.

It was finally too much after an offseason of rest/rehab. Then a couple of weeks for the WCoH. Then missed the entire training camp without healing before he went under the knife (17-18 season).

He's been pretty healthy since then. He's under contract for next season with NYI.