Around The League 40: As we barrel towards 40 teams

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

btw: Toews at $7.25M is significantly a better deal for Avs Franchise/cap management versus what Buffalo's AAV of $11M was for Dahlin

You can't really compare the Colorado and Buffalo situations. Buffalo still needs to pay the "bad team tax" for their players. Their hope is that Power and Dahlin become so good that even those contracts are bargains at the end of it.

 

[chaz4hockey]

You can't really compare the Colorado and Buffalo situations. Buffalo still needs to pay the "bad team tax" for their players. Their hope is that Power and Dahlin become so good that even those contracts are bargains at the end of it.

Nah, sure you can....cap management is cap management, good or bad.

A "bad team" tax approach will permanently keep you down or always just meh.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Dougie is different:

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Nah, sure you can....cap management is cap management, good or bad.

A "bad team" tax approach will permanently keep you down or always just meh.

Not necessarily true, especially if the large contracts that a team gives out in their infancy are to their young core pieces. Being disciplined elsewhere during that phase of team-building is what separates the teams who get out of the basement versus the ones who don't.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Cmon now. it has less to do with bad team tax and more to do with age of the players.

Buffalo is paying for 8 years of prime production

Colorado is paying 3 good years of and 4 years of varying degrees of likely decreasing productivity.

Two different situations create 2 different pay scales

 

[SlavinAway]

Nah, sure you can....cap management is cap management, good or bad.

A "bad team" tax approach will permanently keep you down or always just meh.

I would say that it's not a fair comparison more because you're talking about a contract starting at age 30 for Toews vs. 24 and 21 for Dahlin and Power. Buffalo has Thompson and Cozens locked in for the next 7/8 years at a combined $14.25mm; they could afford to take the risk of a slight overpayment for their young core on the blueline IMO.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Dougie is different:

I certainly miss the goofy dude, never would’ve given him that contract but he’s a great player and very likable

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Cmon now. it has less to do with bad team tax and more to do with age of the players.

Buffalo is paying for 8 years of prime production

Colorado is paying 3 good years of and 4 years of varying degrees of likely decreasing productivity.

Two different situations create 2 different pay scales

This is now just a hypothetical, but I'm pretty sure that Toews could've received more than Owen Power's cap hit in UFA. That's kind of what I had meant. Players are able to work around a situation like Colorado's more than one like Buffalo's.

 

[Joe McGrath]

That’s the guy I would swap out for Garland as is. Not as talented but more aggressive and fits the style better. Much more of a shooter too.

Not nearly as strong defensively though.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

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This is now just a hypothetical, but I'm pretty sure that Toews could've received more than Owen Power's cap hit in UFA. That's kind of what I had meant. Players are able to work around a situation like Colorado's more than one like Buffalo's.

or 29-31 year old players don’t like taking the injury risk and are willing to take a haircut to get their money now instead of risking it. Being 23, that risk isn’t as much for Dahlin so he could be patient until he gets what he wants.

Not nearly as strong defensively though.

According to the metrics, he is better

 

[Joe McGrath]

I can see why coaches lose their mind on refs. Sabre gets his stick up but Fox grabs it and holds it close to his body and the call is a hook on the Sabre. Rangers score 20s later on the PP.

I had a guy water ski me from the blueline all the way to the crease on a breakaway and I got called for holding. As if I was trying to hold the guys stick there instead of scoring a goal. I thought the refs in CT were bad, holy shit these Florida refs are wild.

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or 29-31 year old players don’t like taking the injury risk and are willing to take a haircut to get their money now instead of risking it. Being 23, that risk isn’t as much for Dahlin so he could be patient until he gets what he wants.


According to the metrics, he is better

Please elaborate on the metrics.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Toews and Slavin are both elite defensively. Slavin is better, but both are top 10 defensive players I think.

This bodes really well for Slavin's upcoming extension. Toews will be 30 when the extension begins, Slavin 31. Slavin's last two seasons he scored 27 and then 42 points. Toews got 50 and 57.

The Borg could feasibly get Slavin signed for LESS than $7.25M that Toews got. For one, a full extension takes Slavin from 31 to 38 or 39, a little older than Toews. He scores less. The defensive metrics are just not super well understood. And unlike Toews, Slavin hasn't been as underpaid on his last contract.

We'll all just have to wait and see.

 

[MinJaBen]

Toews and Slavin are both elite defensively. Slavin is better, but both are top 10 defensive players I think.

This bodes really well for Slavin's upcoming extension. Toews will be 30 when the extension begins, Slavin 31. Slavin's last two seasons he scored 27 and then 42 points. Toews got 50 and 57.

The Borg could feasibly get Slavin signed for LESS than $7.25M that Toews got. For one, a full extension takes Slavin from 31 to 38 or 39, a little older than Toews. He scores less. The defensive metrics are just not super well understood. And unlike Toews, Slavin hasn't been as underpaid on his last contract.

We'll all just have to wait and see.

This contract should also be a wakeup call to Pesce.

 

[SlavinAway]

This contract should also be a wakeup call to Pesce.

Maybe. I still think the gap with Pesce is about term more than dollars.

According to all of the "insidurs" that was the same gap between the Avs and Toews camp this offseason and he eventually got 7 years at a fair AAV.

Who knows though... The Pesce situation is one that I'm truly just not sure about; is the Borg putting their foot down on 4 years, 5, etc?

 

[bleedgreen]

Not nearly as strong defensively though.

I’ve always been a bit torn on that particular topic but I think it’s fair to say Garland arrives good enough to play for us and under the tutelage of Rod could improve on what he’s been. He hustles which is the majority of what makes a good defensive forward.

This contract should also be a wakeup call to Pesce.

Until we know what we’re offering the guy I don’t think it’s fair to push this on Pesce. Especially given our history of dealing with UFA’s.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I honestly think Slavin will sign something like 8 years $6.5M/yr and just not look back while continuing to state his case as one of the best players in franchise history

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I honestly think Slavin will sign something like 8 years $6.5M/yr and just not look back while continuing to state his case as one of the best players in franchise history

Yeah he doesn't seem to come off as the guy looking for the maximum amount of money possible but is willing to take a fair deal that helps the team.

 

[bleedgreen]

Thinking someone is going to take a hometown discount when they finally hit ufa is problematic as a fan. Especially when his last contract was team friendly.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Thinking someone is going to take a hometown discount when they finally hit ufa is problematic as a fan. Especially when his last contract was team friendly.

I personally don't ever expect hometown discounts. If you ever read my posts, I'm always happy when guys like Hamilton hit the proverbial jackpot. I'm pretty sure that whatever Slavin and the Canes decide on as an extension will be reasonably fair, just like the Aho extension was.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I buy the improved vibes around the Coyotes this year. They look like a real team. Surprisingly deep forward group as well.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I buy the improved vibes around the Coyotes this year. They look like a real team. Surprisingly deep forward group as well.

They don’t look very dangerous on O. Very perimeter focused.

Zona dominated the first period but it has been all jersey since
Of course I type that and Zona ties it. Lol

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Zona has somehow survived about 5 grade As against. Cooley draws a penalty on Dougie.

Going to the SO

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Yotes take down devils in shootout!

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Cooley with the 2 assist debut. Looked dangerous!

 

[HisIceness]

I hope the Coyotes have a kick-ass season and Cooley develops into the star that franchise so badly needs.