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cptjeff said:
Technically such an agreement would be in violation of the CBA, could anyone prove it. Technically.

But there's no reason the situation has to be structured identically. It's certainly possible he'd agree to the one year overpayment without the same sort of non assurance assurances we gave to KK. Remember, he'd still be an RFA and the outcome for him if we don't want to keep him is he becomes a UFA a couple years early. But it's two seasons before he's anything but a trade target.


As for RFA shenanigans more broadly, somebody really should go after Shane Pinto. 20G scorer, and Ottawa is in a cap jam and trying to sign him for an utter joke of a $1M contract. He wants $2.5 and is easily worth it. Up to $4.29m is only a 2nd. Sign him for a 1y, $3.5m contract, Ottawa probably can't match. We don't have the cap space with our overloaded D, but that situation is just ripe for the picking. If I'm, say, Detroit, I'm all over that. And even if they do match they have to move a player out at a huge discount to get under the cap.
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Pinto isn't eligible for an OS.
 
cptjeff said:
Technically such an agreement would be in violation of the CBA, could anyone prove it. Technically.
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Debatable.

Per CBA 10.2 (a)(i) on Restricted Free Agents,

"Any such Player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any​
Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC​
with any such Player, subject to the provisions set forth in this Section."​

I would argue Canes and Kotkaniemi have been completely free to negotiate an SPC that might be forthcoming after the other SPC the parties might be immediately signing. The CBA is very strict that any agreements outside a signed and registered SPC are non-enforceable, and thusly either party would have been fully within their rights to not sign such a subsequent SPC they might have had some idle chit-chat about a year before.
 
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SlavinAway said:
Pinto isn't eligible for an OS.
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Are you confusing offer sheets and arbitration eligibility? As far as I understand it, any RFA outside of the entry level contract period can sign an offer sheet. He finished his ELC. That's the whole point of the the "free agent" part of "restricted free agent".
 
cptjeff said:
Are you confusing offer sheets and arbitration eligibility? As far as I understand it, any RFA outside of the entry level contract period can sign an offer sheet. That's the whole point of the the "free agent" part of "restricted free agent".
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No. He falls under 10.2(c) as he doesn't meet the requirements for Group 2 RFA status. NHL CBA FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Edit: I think this is the only reason they're able to approach the situation the way they have otherwise he probably would be an OS target.
 
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SlavinAway said:
No. He falls under 10.2(c) as he doesn't meet the requirements for Group 2 RFA status. NHL CBA FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Edit: I think this is the only reason they're able to approach the situation the way they have otherwise he probably would be an OS target.
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That's a weird ass loophole. His ELC didn't extend like it would with a slide but he gets treated basically as if he was on an ELC anyway? No wonder the Sens are trying to screw him if he doesn't have an out.
 
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cptjeff said:
That's a weird ass loophole. His ELC didn't extend like it would with a slide but he gets treated basically as if he was on an ELC anyway? No wonder the Sens are trying to screw him if he doesn't have an out.
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Basically he didn’t play enough games to complete a year of professional experience, which is different from ELC contract years. If you don’t complete enough years of pro experience then you aren’t eligible for a offer sheet or arbitration.
 
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I don't see how this concept will work for NHL to be honest. 1 -- a huge part of why RedZone is good is because Scott Hanson is absolutely incredible. Buccigross is a joke compared to him. 2 -- football is such a slow game and you can generally predict when teams are close to scoring so Hansen is able to get it more or less in real time and either show it live or an immediate replay. Hockey is so fast and goals can come at any time so this just doesn't really work. For times when there aren't being goals scored are they only going to show teams on powerplays? What if no team is on a powerplay, just show some random games? Redzone works so well because they can show the team(s) in scoring position (i.e. the red zone) or the teams closest to it or in interesting positions and for any big scoring plays outside of scoring position Hanson is on top of getting to it basically ASAP.
 
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AhosDatsyukian said:
I don't see how this concept will work for NHL to be honest. 1 -- a huge part of why RedZone is good is because Scott Hanson is absolutely incredible. Buccigross is a joke compared to him. 2 -- football is such a slow game and you can generally predict when teams are close to scoring so Hansen is able to get it more or less in real time and either show it live or an immediate replay. Hockey is so fast and goals can come at any time so this just doesn't really work. For times when there aren't being goals scored are they only going to show teams on powerplays? What if no team is on a powerplay, just show some random games? Redzone works so well because they can show the team(s) in scoring position (i.e. the red zone) or the teams closest to it or in interesting positions and for any big scoring plays outside of scoring position Hanson is on top of getting to it basically ASAP.
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It’ll be tougher. It’ll be a lot of replays of goals that just happened, and when no goals just happened it’ll be a lot of watching power plays. On the days where like 12 games are happening, it might be a fun option depending on how well it’s run though.

Another issue will be that instead of getting a clear programming slot like the NFL, it’ll just be a few times a year randomly when there are a lot of games going on.
 
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I have reservations about how well it will translate to hockey too. It will be a lot of replays and PPs and the last couple of minutes with the net pulled and so forth. But, it could be interesting on a night with a few games to have them shift to each Connor Bedard shift. Or every Ovechkin shift as he gets towards the record. Try and switch on the fly when the most dynamic players in the game are on the ice and away when the fourth lines hop over the boards. It will take some time likely to nail that down, but they might be able to figure that out. With some of the tracking tech, this should be getting easier.
 
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HisIceness said:
Said this before, Atlanta and Houston are the two vacant markets I'd want the most if I'm a league executive.

San Diego (on the main board there's a thread mentioning their interest) is intriguing, but they have no arena.
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San Diego is developing their stadium plan and has Kroenke involved in the arena build.

They don't have it immediately (for say, a sudden relocation) but they aren't far behind Atlanta there.
 
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