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[chaz4hockey]

LeBrun with an article on goalies (no Canes covered): LeBrun: Early hits and misses on the goalie carousel, from Georgiev to the Leafs to Campbell

A key comment in article (Canes ahead of the NHL trend here):
"It’s even more reason why it’s ridiculous for any netminder to play 60-plus games in the modern NHL.

And also reason, I think, that you’ll see very few long-term deals afforded to the position. True franchise goalies might still get them, but you’re talking about only a few players in that group.

Otherwise, you’re looking at two- or three-year deals, max, because of the uncertainty of a netminder repeating results in a consistent way."

btw: I think Trochuk has played better than the guy he replaced.

However, with the team suffering, the Rangers board/fan base has lots of targets to go after ( "next whipping boy" for one OP but there are several individuals, the Coach and the GM being called out )

 

[bleedgreen]

i guess repeating what is written without adding words is a hidden agenda. you got me.

how long are your arms exactly?

Lol fine, I’m sure I’m just confused. Moving on.

And, it begs repeating, KK is younger than Svechnikov. It doesn't excuse the recent lack of offense but it also shows a potential development curve that isn't coming with Trocheck.

You’re getting desperate my friend if youre pointing out an age difference between two players from the same draft at this point.

I’m not saying they should’ve signed Trocheck as it’s a tough deal for some cap teams, but what Tro brought is not an easy thing to replace and at this point it’s way too much to expect of Koko. He hasn’t shown any of that. We need different expectations for him.

 

[chaz4hockey]

^^^^^
FWIW: you can argue that Canes Mgt have made this a throwaway/development year.

JK is not performing as a 2C and probably maxes out as a good 3C (Staal’s replacement). Plus, our 3rd D pair is below what’s needed for a SC run. And, which Freddie finally shows up this year?

As a result, short of a good trade, I’ve lowered my expectation for this year.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

^^^^^
FWIW: you can argue that Canes Mgt have made this a throwaway/development year.

JK is not performing as a 2C and probably maxes out as a good 3C (Staal’s replacement). Plus, our 3rd D pair is below what’s needed for a SC run. And, which Freddie finally shows up this year?

As a result, short of a good trade, I’ve lowered my expectation for this year.

I highly doubt they look at it that way. Burns isn't getting any younger; both goalies are UFAs after the season; Pacioretty is a 1 year deal; Pesce, Skjei, Aho and Teravainen are all UFAs after next season.

This year and next are the current window and they can't afford a throwaway/development year.

 

[hblueridgegal]

^^^^^
FWIW: you can argue that Canes Mgt have made this a throwaway/development year.

JK is not performing as a 2C and probably maxes out as a good 3C (Staal’s replacement). Plus, our 3rd D pair is below what’s needed for a SC run. And, which Freddie finally shows up this year?

As a result, short of a good trade, I’ve lowered my expectation for this year.

With no Sara on the case, it's hard to know how they feel about how things currently stand or where they're headed. Even if all they gave up was mostly the party line when she cornered them for an article or statement, you could kinda read the tea leaves or she'd offer her impressions of the vibe. The whole org seems to be a little press or gunshy right now.

Also, there are some new media darlings such as the Devils taking up a bit of space. I wouldn't say the Canes have fallen out of favor but the playoff performance took away some shine.

 

[Negan4Coach]

And, it begs repeating, KK is younger than Svechnikov. It doesn't excuse the recent lack of offense but it also shows a potential development curve that isn't coming with Trocheck.

I really don't get this line of reasoning. KK is inferior to Trochek, and likely always will be. This team needs production now, not chicken bones thrown at the wall for maybe later.

 

[Derailed75]

I really don't get this line of reasoning. KK is inferior to Trochek, and likely always will be. This team needs production now, not chicken bones thrown at the wall for maybe later.

And his contract is much better than Vinny's even right now before the cap goes up

 

[Negan4Coach]

With no Sara on the case, it's hard to know how they feel about how things currently stand or where they're headed. Even if all they gave up was mostly the party line when she cornered them for an article or statement, you could kinda read the tea leaves or she'd offer her impressions of the vibe. The whole org seems to be a little press or gunshy right now.

Also, there are some new media darlings such as the Devils taking up a bit of space. I wouldn't say the Canes have fallen out of favor but the playoff performance took away some shine.

Right...right. Sara's frivolous, cutesy Gen-Z approach to sports "reporting" was really the key to gaining insights to the team. lol

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Right...right. Sara's frivolous, cutesy Gen-Z approach to sports "reporting" was really the key to gaining insights to the team. lol

Her insights into the team were better than what we have now, which is basically nothing. Your beef with her is really odd, especially keeping it up when she no longer covers the team.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I highly doubt they look at it that way. Burns isn't getting any younger; both goalies are UFAs after the season; Pacioretty is a 1 year deal; Pesce, Skjei, Aho and Teravainen are all UFAs after next season.

This year and next are the current window and they can't afford a throwaway/development year.

Slight interpretation miss.

I didn’t say they looked at it that way but rather you can argue that’s how it’s turning out.

Last year we had a better squad and deserved a more improved trade deadline addition.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Slight interpretation miss.

I didn’t say they looked at it that way but rather you can argue that’s how it’s turning out.

Last year we had a better squad and deserved a more improved trade deadline addition.

Yeah, I know that's what you meant but I probably phrased my response wrong. What I was trying to say is that I don't think they feel that way nor will they settle for it turning out that way. They want to compete for a cup so if it continues to go as it is after TT, Pacioretty and Andersen return, they'll make changes. I doubt they just ride it out. That's what I meant.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I've come to the conclusion that the Devils are last years Panthers. Like the Cats, the Devils can score at will and aren't afraid of 2-3 goal deficits.

Yeah and I would not be surprised if their fate is the same (losing to a more established team within the division after beating a wildcard team. Hopefully that more established team is us.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Her insights into the team were better than what we have now, which is basically nothing. Your beef with her is really odd, especially keeping it up when she no longer covers the team.

Hey, I'm not the one who brought her up. I just have a hard time imagining Dundon giving serious access to a person who, after he signed TDA, proceeded to just launch into lengthy, self-indulgent and sanctimonious Twitter screeds about it. Tends not to build the real goodwill with an organization one might need to have great access.

But then again maybe reporting in the same vein as Tik Tok jibber-jabber and "unboxing" video frivolity (OMG! OMG!) is what gets people really jazzed nowadays

 

[hblueridgegal]

Right...right. Sara's frivolous, cutesy Gen-Z approach to sports "reporting" was really the key to gaining insights to the team. lol

To each his own but I preferred her style over the fade into the woodwork, paint by numbers version of templatized reporting that we mostly receive. There are a few standouts out there but not many.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Kings kraken played Gretzky era hockey last night. 9-8 OT.

 

[CandyCanes]

Kings kraken played Gretzky era hockey last night. 9-8 OT.

Shoutout to Ron Francis and his Kraken. They’re winning a lot of games. Some of his free agency signings and expansion draft picks are really panning out nicely now. Let alone Berniers looks like your clear Calder favorite.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Seattle benefitting finally from playing in the weakest division in hockey by a country mile.

Add in they have 8 guys with very high shooting percentages right now. It is unlikely they maintain that level.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Hey, I'm not the one who brought her up. I just have a hard time imagining Dundon giving serious access to a person who, after he signed TDA, proceeded to just launch into lengthy, self-indulgent and sanctimonious Twitter screeds about it. Tends not to build the real goodwill with an organization one might need to have great access.

But then again maybe reporting in the same vein as Tik Tok jibber-jabber and "unboxing" video frivolity (OMG! OMG!) is what gets people really jazzed nowadays

I somehow doubt Dundon is that involved in which reporters get access to interview the team. Seems more a President/GM task delegated to the head media guy.

 

[Svechhammer]

Yikes, that's not good

 

[mikeyfan]

Yikes, that's not good

Wish him a quick recovery

 

[Negan4Coach]

I somehow doubt Dundon is that involved in which reporters get access to interview the team. Seems more a President/GM task delegated to the head media guy.

Fair enough. But I don't imagine Wadell or anybody else in the org would be super keen on giving special access to somebody who could suddenly turn on them and take to social media for denunciations at the drop of a hat. I'd be more inclined to deal with a good ole boy like Luke Decock or whomever who could be managed and is predictable.

 

[mikeyfan]

Wonder what the cause of Letang‘s stroke was? Was it because of a concussion he sustained? A cut that was ignored and a clot let go and or a carotid artery that was blocked.

glad to hear it was minor though.

I had a stroke in Dec 2019 after having my carotid cleaned. No lasting damage as I was flown immediately to another hospital where a neurosurgeon was waiting and removed the clot and inserted a stint. So i know and understand the severity and how scary it can be to have a stroke

 

[geehaad]

I'd be more inclined to deal with a good ole boy like Luke Decock or whomever who could be managed and is predictable.

You have no idea how hilarious this statement is. It is fine comedy on its own, but...on the heels of bitching about Civian being an anti-Canes mouthpiece, no less? <chefs kiss>

 

[tarheelhockey]

Considering Kotkaniemi isn’t paid like a 2C in 2022 money, let alone 2030 money, it’s probably inaccurate to think that either he or Canes management ever had him penciled in as a 2C in the long run. At least not unless you count “glue-guy who’s the nominal 2C by virtue of playing with two good wingers” status, like he was this year.

If he improves to be a long term 3C, he will be doing exactly what he’s paid for.

Trocheck is the wrong comparison and has been all along. The only thing that connects them is that Kotkaniemi became the first attempt at a band-aid when Tro left without a replacement.

 

[raynman]

Wonder what the cause of Letang‘s stroke was? Was it because of a concussion he sustained? A cut that was ignored and a clot let go and or a carotid artery that was blocked.

glad to hear it was minor though.

I had a stroke in Dec 2019 after having my carotid cleaned. No lasting damage as I was flown immediately to another hospital where a neurosurgeon was waiting and removed the clot and inserted a stint. So i know and understand the severity and how scary it can be to have a stroke

He had a stroke in the past:

Penguins defenseman Kris Letang out indefinitely after suffering another stroke

Kris Letang is out indefinitely after he suffered another stroke on Monday. The Penguins said the 35-year-old defenseman is not experiencing “any...

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