Around the League 36-But Who's Counting...

[tarheelhockey]

Honestly odds are it’s some dude like Gerald from South Park. Maybe even a Russian bot or some shit like that

Or, it could be exactly what it looks like at face value.

We’ll likely never find out whether this was a true accusation or a hoax, and we already knew that would be the endgame before the NHL got involved.

 

[Lempo]

But you can’t even do that unless they follow you.

@Lempo has the gist of it in the post above, but AFAIK that didn’t happen.

It did.



When you open the original tweet by @ emily_smith3333, twitter prompts you (translated by me):

- Who can reply?
- Those mentioned by user emily_smith3333 can reply

User @ emily_smith3333 tagged users @ TBLightning and @ NHL.

Though. I don't know how many times @ NHL tried doing that, I'm bad at twitter. This particular tweet is from Oct 15 *, eight days after the original tweet by @ emily_smith3333. Oct 15 was also the day the NHL announced it had shut down the investigation. The NHL claims there were "attemps", plural, to make contact with the anonymous source.

* on my twitter the time of the @ NHL tweet shows as Oct 15, 0.22 am, but I just realized this is my time and in American time @ NHL probably tweeted that on Oct 14 afternoon.

 

[Borsig]

Hell, it's probably the wingnut that used to do Stormy. It reads like something she would write, and this would be right down her alley too.

 

[Lempo]

Hell, it's probably the wingnut that used to do Stormy. It reads like something she would write, and this would be right down her alley too.

"Emily" doesn't use the safe space before the punctuation though.

(yes, "safe space" is my guess why Egan punctuates wrong)

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

I could see Cole filing a suit for defamation resulting in a subpoena for the IP address

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I could see Cole filing a suit for defamation resulting in a subpoena for the IP address

Cole probably wants less attention right now and not more that a suit would bring. And since none of us know if the accusations are legit or not, he may just want to let sleeping dogs lie. Who knows though.

 

[cptjeff]

I could see Cole filing a suit for defamation resulting in a subpoena for the IP address

You are presuming it's not true because the NHL couldn't corroborate. This is a very, very dangerous assumption. Truth is an absolute defense to defamation, and if the poster is sued, that leads to a period of discovery where Cole is compelled to provide mountains of evidence as well, and if any part of it holds up, then he loses and is basically proved guilty in the public consciousness.

I would take this to be exactly what it appears to be- a likely true story from somebody who wants to remain anonymous at all costs, even if that means Cole doesn't face further league punishment. A perfectly logical position given the absolutely disgusting displays we've seen from hockey fans over the last week.

The NHL couldn't get in contact with the accuser, and without that cooperation it'd be near impossible to corroborate anything. But that doesn't mean any of the allegations were proved false, either.

Could be true, could be false. We'll have to live with never actually knowing, but young women and girls will be more cautious around Ian Cole in the future, and that may ultimately have been the entire intent.

 

[Stickpucker]

Hell, it's probably the wingnut that used to do Stormy. It reads like something she would write, and this would be right down her alley too.

at this point we need a pole of "who done it"

Whether Ian Cole did anything or not...If the accuser is a false one the accusation tells you something about how the accuser thinks Ian operates.

*The x wife already is going to bend Ian over hard in court and get her $$.
*crazy media lady...well this could fit her narrative and be a kind of I told you so...you should've let me counsel the team!! -- and she's already shown to be a little out there...
*Abby...she could play the victim and say Ian has a history of grooming young women...that might help her turn her career around by building public sympathy
*Abby's x boyfriend....well from what I recall he played it up publicly like he was hurt but going to be the bigger man. Maybe he's coming back at Ian thinking I'm going to run his life for ruining my relationship with Abby.

This is starting to get an Agatha Christie vibe. Maybe there are multiple people forming a network and colluding to bring down Ian...end his hockey career and bankrupt him all at once!!

btw...it's always the jealous x.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

the final twist in this latest Agatha Christie novel is that Abby actually groomed Svech; I mean she is what like 5 or 6 years older, and Svech got here as a barely 18 year old...

 

[MinJaBen]

at this point we need a pole of "who done it"

Whether Ian Cole did anything or not...If the accuser is a false one the accusation tells you something about how the accuser thinks Ian operates.

*The x wife already is going to bend Ian over hard in court and get her $$.
*crazy media lady...well this could fit her narrative and be a kind of I told you so...you should've let me counsel the team!! -- and she's already shown to be a little out there...
*Abby...she could play the victim and say Ian has a history of grooming young women...that might help her turn her career around by building public sympathy
*Abby's x boyfriend....well from what I recall he played it up publicly like he was hurt but going to be the bigger man. Maybe he's coming back at Ian thinking I'm going to run his life for ruining my relationship with Abby.

This is starting to get an Agatha Christie vibe. Maybe there are multiple people forming a network and colluding to bring down Ian...end his hockey career and bankrupt him all at once!!

btw...it's always the jealous x.

It was Jon Cooper.

 

[Lempo]

the final twist in this latest Agatha Christie novel is that Abby actually groomed Svech; I mean she is what like 5 or 6 years older, and Svech got here as a barely 18 year old...

Of course, the old Asia Argento trick!

 

[NotOpie]

So the digital ads are the home team’s responsibility not the broadcaster? I mean it makes sense, but these kind of hilarious things are going to happen all the time.

....which may be one of the reasons that the local sponsors are okay with it. Their ads get seen live by fans and potentially digitally by a lot more fans.

20.00 beer

Close to being already here

Could be true, could be false.

While I think the #MeToo movement was timely and had significant merit, the idea that the "victim" has to be believed at all costs is a very bad result. We are a country of laws where one is innocent until PROVEN guilty. This has spawned the phenomena of being able to ruin people's lives with mere accusations.

Look, I'm not defending Ian Cole and feel he probably is a dirt-bag....Still, we end up with Duke Lacrosse, UVA fraternity, etc., etc., etc. Title IX has been so bastardized as to be used to cause, at best, the misuse of due process and, at worst, the casting aside of basic constitutional processes.

The unfortunate reality is that most accusations are likely true, but because what is not small number often aren't, society needs to slow its roll.

 

[Identity404]

Not trying to make excuses for Cole or downplay the seriousness of these accusations but it wouldn't completely shock me if this was one of Cole's mistresses being vintictive. We know about Abby, and you can extrapolate her maturity level given her behaviour, especially given the fact she was just about to get married to another man. I recall there being rumors of something similar around Cole in Colorado. This guy is probably a serial cheater.

 

[NotOpie]

Not trying to make excuses for Cole or downplay the seriousness of these accusations but it wouldn't completely shock me if this was one of Cole's mistresses being vintictive. We know about Abby, and you can extrapolate her maturity level given her behaviour, especially given the fact she was just about to get married to another man. I recall there being rumors of something similar around Cole in Colorado. This guy is probably a serial cheater.

.....and indeed maybe the accusations are true and he rightly needs to have his career/life ruined because of the damage he has wrought. However, this particular situation has done more damage than good to the "believe survivors" entreaty. It's a huge conundrum as women are often reluctant to come forward because of the disbelief, harassment, and even worse that they often endure. I truly wished I knew the right answer.....strike that. The right answer is for us guys to act like the gentlemen that our mama's tried to raise us to be, instead of the entitled assholes that society has fostered, at least across a swath of our gender.

 

[Stickpucker]

You are presuming it's not true because the NHL couldn't corroborate. This is a very, very dangerous assumption. Truth is an absolute defense to defamation, and if the poster is sued, that leads to a period of discovery where Cole is compelled to provide mountains of evidence as well, and if any part of it holds up, then he loses and is basically proved guilty in the public consciousness.

I would take this to be exactly what it appears to be- a likely true story from somebody who wants to remain anonymous at all costs, even if that means Cole doesn't face further league punishment. A perfectly logical position given the absolutely disgusting displays we've seen from hockey fans over the last week.

The NHL couldn't get in contact with the accuser, and without that cooperation it'd be near impossible to corroborate anything. But that doesn't mean any of the allegations were proved false, either.

Could be true, could be false. We'll have to live with never actually knowing, but young women and girls will be more cautious around Ian Cole in the future, and that may ultimately have been the entire intent.

The accuser mentioned how Cole was always bragging about his exploits. I would guess it wouldn't be too hard to find someone who would bring that to light if it was the case.

 

[Lempo]

Someone from the ET timezone please tell me what your twitter shows as the time of this tweet by @ NHL:

 

[MinJaBen]

Someone from the ET timezone please tell me what your twitter shows as the time of this tweet by @ NHL:

5:22 PM

 

[emptyNedder]

Hell, it's probably the wingnut that used to do Stormy. It reads like something she would write, and this would be right down her alley too.

"Emily" doesn't use the safe space before the punctuation though.

(yes, "safe space" is my guess why Egan punctuates wrong)

I know we agreed to disagree on the intent to help the organization--but in a thread that has several mentions of defamation I would think you would not want to make such a statement.

 

[Lempo]

5:22 PM

Lol, should've asked date and time So Oct 14th, 5:22 PM. Thanks.

The pains of a NHL fan in Europe. Recently, my work mate came to me agitated because he couldn't find where the first Czech Republic opening game is televized, and it took us some time to decipher that he was expecting the game a day early as it was a matinee game starting at 9 pm or whatevs for us and thusly the game wasn't a the American date +1 deal for us like normally.

 

[Lempo]

I know we agreed to disagree on the intent to help the organization--but in a thread that has several mentions of defamation I would think you would not want to make such a statement.

Pure tongue-in-cheek on my part, but I just couldn't pass on the commentary as the horrid realization hit me that it would actually be painfully plausible if the social media vanguard now came up with their own way of doing punctuation to raise awareness (or, maybe, to underline their own orthodoxy in progressivism).

But, upon quick google search, this has not happened. Yet.

(obviously tells more of me than anyone else)

 

[chaz4hockey]

Not trying to make excuses for Cole or downplay the seriousness of these accusations but it wouldn't completely shock me if this was one of Cole's mistresses being vintictive. We know about Abby, and you can extrapolate her maturity level given her behaviour, especially given the fact she was just about to get married to another man. I recall there being rumors of something similar around Cole in Colorado. This guy is probably a serial cheater.

Pro athletes (NBA & MLB in particular) are notorious for having side girlfriends in multiple cities.

A toxic mix of money, power and prestige make them magnets for adoring women (plus the fact that they are athletes).

Then again, business and government leaders also have their side “flavors” too. Like I said, money, power and prestige are pathways to this type of behavior.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

the final twist in this latest Agatha Christie novel is that Abby actually groomed Svech; I mean she is what like 5 or 6 years older, and Svech got here as a barely 18 year old...

From what I've heard from reliable sources, Abby joined the team during bar hops, and on more than one occasion, she was "escorted" to hotels by various players, not just Cole.

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

This stuff goes way back in many athletes lives. When I was in jr high the QB was one ugly dude but had one of the hottest cheerleaders as his girlfriend...

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

From what I've heard from reliable sources, Abby joined the team during bar hops, and on more than one occasion, she was "escorted" to hotels by various players, not just Cole.

yeah not surprising pretty sure the ex-fiance said as much himself

 

[Borsig]

From what I've heard from reliable sources, Abby joined the team during bar hops, and on more than one occasion, she was "escorted" to hotels by various players, not just Cole.

There's probably a LOT of truth in this. It goes back to that whole dumb ass "guys only want one thing and it's disgusting" tweet.... Actually , no. I want to be left the hell alone, on a beach somewhere, in 60 degree temps with a beer and 3 rods in the water, with my dog at my side. ALONE. Like once a week maybe, I want that with my wife. But usually she has to instigate it because I just don't care.

That being said, I have known plenty of women that are like that. Like DAILY. with whoever they find attractive. My wife's best friend years ago was that girl. (She's dead now, shocker). Yeah, some dudes are like that and it takes two to tango, but to act like there aren't a ton of girls out there that are this way is laughable. Some even fetishize it. To quote my wife "women are way, way worse than men, you have no idea"

I've also read somewhere, I can't recall where, that Abby was pretty much this way, and the ex tolerated it or something. This goes way back to when she was the intermission announcer years ago and even stuff with NC state, or something. It's not the first I've heard it either.