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[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't really like the trade for either side. Feels like Vancouver probably could have got more given it's still quite a bit before the deadline. Also the trade makes very little sense the Islanders. Just meh.

Setting Beauvillier aside, I don't think Vancouver would have done much, if any better at the deadline. Going rate for rentals like him is typically a late 1st round pick; a decent, but not great prospect and maybe a little more. They are likely getting a much earlier 1st round pick and got a "better than decent" prospect.

I agree with you on the Islander's side though.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Tro didn’t put us over the top in the playoffs.

He like everyone else scored a lot more at home than away. And that was just last season. Didn’t score much the other 2.

Well, it's like you said- "like everyone else" Where was Aho at? Tro scored more goals than he did.

I'm just saying you don't downgrade from a guy who didn't put us over the top, then be all like "We moved on from a guy who didn't put us over the top. What a great move, eh?"

I think the 2C is here already, better than Tro, but hasn't been moved to the position yet. It's going to be Necas. I think he just needs to keep proving himself defefensively and work on his FOs to get the shot from Rod.

I like this idea. Provided they still go get a winger who scores a lot of goals

 

[Canes]

Setting Beauvillier aside, I don't think Vancouver would have done much, if any better at the deadline. Going rate for rentals like him is typically a late 1st round pick; a decent, but not great prospect and maybe a little more. They are likely getting a much earlier 1st round pick and got a "better than decent" prospect.

I agree with you on the Islander's side though.

You're probably right but I still feel like Vancouver could have held out longer in the hopes of getting a better package and still wound up with at least something similar to what they got from the Islanders at the worst. I'm guessing JR locked in on Beauvillier and/or Raty.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Well, it's like you said- "like everyone else" Where was Aho at? Tro scored more goals than he did.

I'm just saying you don't downgrade from a guy who didn't put us over the top, then be all like "We moved on from a guy who didn't put us over the top. What a great move, eh?"




I like this idea. Provided they still go get a winger who scores a lot of goals

You are moving the goal posts in an effort to argue but really vent. Cool story.

 

[MadeUpName]

I think you're underestimating what a vicious wife beater Hull was. He beat his first wife bloody, held her off a balcony, threatened her with a loaded shotgun. That shit wasn't "very common" then or at any point in history.

There are plenty of people out there who deserve and need defending. Jumping up to shield Bobby Hull (and Ty Cobb!) from criticism ain't it.

If it smells like shit, waddles like shit, and quacks like shit then it is probably a piece of shit.

I am very much for Speaker of the Dead. Any dead person is a life lesson in Truth.

 

[LakeLivin]

If it smells like shit, waddles like shit, and quacks like shit then it is probably a piece of shit.

I am very much for Speaker of the Dead. Any dead person is a life lesson in Truth.

Waddle? I though it hopped.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Oh we're doing retroactive cancel culture today? Yay! I had no idea.

I agree, I don't like being silenced by the Admins either but I guess you guys get to finally see what the shoe is like on the other foot, eh?

So I'm wondering what is more "brutally awful" to people? A fairly garden variety "Hitler was awful but..." comment that may not even have happened (unless we suddenly believe Russians now for a minute). Or was it that he was a drunk who liked to knock his old lady around? I'm guessing it is the former.

And while I take a dim view of wife-beating, in his day it was unfortunately very common. I'll bet we could go down the list of famous athletes and find this kinda thing. Mickey Mantel? Holy crap how about Ty Cobb? They need to exhume his grave at this point.

IDK what the point is of dredging up someone's personal life is. The guy was famous for being a great hockey player- acknowledge that with his passing and move on. But I do understand that there is a statue of him which could be set upon by a mob crazed by the internet and torn down.

I'm super glad you chimed in with your cancel culture comment, because it provides yet another example of how "calling a duck a duck" is considered cancel culture to some people.

It's a well known fact that he beat his wives. He beat his first, he beat his second, and he beat his third. You can ask his children, or simply google the quotes of them talking about how he was an angry drunk that repeatedly almost killed their mother.

And while I'm not sure why you seem to be OK with a "garden variety" pro-Hitler comment, you are correct that the original quote did come from an interview with the Moscow Times. And he threatened to sue the Moscow Times and the Toronto Sun for printing the quote. But he never followed through. In addition, his daughter had no doubts he said the things he allegedly said.

She told ESPN that when she saw the remarks attributed to her father about black people and Hitler, “The first thing I thought was, ‘That’s exactly like him.’”

So what part of calling him a drunkard, or a wife beater, or a racist, or a Nazi sympathizer is "cancel culture"? Or is it simply another case of an asshole being called out for his actions that gets dogwhistled as "cancel culture"?

 

[bleedgreen]

I struggle to see so many use his death as an opportunity to go on social media and make themselves look good by condemning his life. Easy to do nowadays. He wasn’t a killer. He clearly like many of us had flaws, some of which are pretty extreme despite being more common in his time. I’m sure he loved his family in his messed up way, and he was probably made to be the way he was by someone else. I hope he finds peace now, and that his family can move on. They have my thoughts.

 

[The Faulker 27]

We need a trade soon. The troops are getting restless.

 

[moses malone 12]

Well, it's like you said- "like everyone else" Where was Aho at? Tro scored more goals than he did.

I'm just saying you don't downgrade from a guy who didn't put us over the top, then be all like "We moved on from a guy who didn't put us over the top. What a great move, eh?"




I like this idea. Provided they still go get a winger who scores a lot of goals

I agree with Dave on Necas and I was very down on him going into this year. His play with the puck has been outstanding and his defensive awareness and compete level are strong. He's taking more faceoffs as well.

 

[Stickpucker]

I think the 2C is here already, better than Tro, but hasn't been moved to the position yet. It's going to be Necas. I think he just needs to keep proving himself defefensively and work on his FOs to get the shot from Rod.

The 2c or the 1c

Nachos is outscoring Aho at this point...

 

[WreckingCrew]

I do wonder with a month left until TDL, if they're still well out of the playoffs and not making headway on extension talks, do the Islanders flip Horvat to someone else to recoup some assets.

 

[Svechhammer]

I don't think where Necas plays is that important. In transition, he's more often than not carrying the puck and driving play so it's not that important. In the offensive zone, positions don't matter much as the 3 forwards are fluid and rotate/backfill in the Canes system. in the D-zone is where he'd play differently and cover down low. Would that hamper his production?

Part of me wants to see him tried at C, but part of me is in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp in that he's having a fabulous season and do we want to mess with that?

Scared money don't make money

If Necas is a natural C, he needs to be given the opportunity to show he can play that position here. With his improved play, he's earned the chance to try it out, because quite frankly, its a hell of a lot cheaper to backfill a 2nd line winger spot than a 2nd line center.

At this point, I think if the season started today and Necas had finished last year like he's been playing this year, we'd be rolling him out as our 2C.

 

[Chrispy]

Scared money don't make money

If Necas is a natural C, he needs to be given the opportunity to show he can play that position here. With his improved play, he's earned the chance to try it out, because quite frankly, its a hell of a lot cheaper to backfill a 2nd line winger spot than a 2nd line center.

At this point, I think if the season started today and Necas had finished last year like he's been playing this year, we'd be rolling him out as our 2C.

I agree, if Necas played this way last season I think Rod would have put together an offseason plan to transition him.

With Necas’s struggles last season, the offseason priority was him getting his game back period.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Scared money don't make money

If Necas is a natural C, he needs to be given the opportunity to show he can play that position here. With his improved play, he's earned the chance to try it out, because quite frankly, its a hell of a lot cheaper to backfill a 2nd line winger spot than a 2nd line center.

At this point, I think if the season started today and Necas had finished last year like he's been playing this year, we'd be rolling him out as our 2C.

You're missing the point by focusing on 1 sentence within the post.

IMO, where he plays isn't that relevant. In the Neutral and O-zone whether you call him a W or C doesn't matter much. If we can get a 2C at the deadline, fine. If we can only get a winger, then adjust accordingly. I don't think giving him a chance is a big deal either way as it pertains to this season. I'm fine if he gets a chance, I'm fine if they try to find someone else at the deadline.

 

[Svechhammer]

You're missing the point by focusing on 1 sentence within the post.

IMO, where he plays isn't that relevant. In the Neutral and O-zone whether you call him a W or C doesn't matter much. If we can get a 2C at the deadline, fine. If we can only get a winger, then adjust accordingly. I don't think giving him a chance is a big deal either way as it pertains to this season. I'm fine if he gets a chance, I'm fine if they try to find someone else at the deadline.

I agree with that. I'm just saying we should be willing to pivot and try something new if there's an opportunity that presents itself that necessitates it.

If we can get a high impact C to slot right into that 2nd line to continue giving us the kind of offensive pop that KK has provided lately without the mental hiccups in the neutral zone, and we can get that on a deal that makes sense for us, do it. Personally, I don't think those options are really out there right now, and it'll be more reasonable to get a winger.

For this season, I think that it makes sense to keep everyone as is, but if we pick up a winger with term, we have to seriously consider transitioning Necas to 2C next year with our long term C depth being Aho-Necas-KK-_____.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I agree, if Necas played this way last season I think Rod would have put together an offseason plan to transition him.

With Necas’s struggles last season, the offseason priority was him getting his game back period.

“offseason priority”

Plus perhaps even trading him for Tkachuk. Canes dodged a bullet in keeping their draft picks plus necas and other players.

 

[geehaad]

IMO, where he plays isn't that relevant. In the Neutral and O-zone whether you call him a W or C doesn't matter much.

Here's where this explanation breaks down: Brind'Amour isn't placing a top-6 forward on Necas' line because "it doesn't matter much whether we label Necas as a wing or center". He's putting a center in that spot...a center who, by seeming consensus, doesn't belong in the top-6.

Think about when MaxPac entered the lineup...If TT had moved onto Necas' line, then your explanation would hold water, but TT got moved to the 4th line while Stastny remained as the #2 C.

 

[Svechhammer]

Here's where this explanation breaks down: Brind'Amour isn't placing a top-6 forward on Necas' line because "it doesn't matter much whether we label Necas as a wing or center". He's putting a center in that spot...a center who, by seeming consensus, doesn't belong in the top-6.

Think about when MaxPac entered the lineup...If TT had moved onto Necas' line, then your explanation would hold water, but TT got moved to the 4th line while Stastny remained as the #2 C.

I mean... Yeah, that's why we're kind of in a bind right now. We're not in a spot where you want to be converting a player from W to C in midseason. The learning curve there can be steep, and when you're in January, it could really throw a major wrench in the entire season. That's a move you want to roll out in September or October so the player has time to grow into the role and be ready for the stretch run after the All Star Break.

Its too late to convert Necas now, but I think we're at the point where we seriously consider if not already plan for him to be our long term 2C solution starting next year. And that's why I wouldn't be too concerned with getting a 2C with term, and maybe focus that time and energy into a long term winger upgrade, and possible backfill for when we do convert Necas.

 

[moses malone 12]

I mean... Yeah, that's why we're kind of in a bind right now. We're not in a spot where you want to be converting a player from W to C in midseason. The learning curve there can be steep, and when you're in January, it could really throw a major wrench in the entire season. That's a move you want to roll out in September or October so the player has time to grow into the role and be ready for the stretch run after the All Star Break.

Its too late to convert Necas now, but I think we're at the point where we seriously consider if not already plan for him to be our long term 2C solution starting next year. And that's why I wouldn't be too concerned with getting a 2C with term, and maybe focus that time and energy into a long term winger upgrade, and possible backfill for when we do convert Necas.

I mentioned Matt Duchene as a possible trade target in part for this reason. He playing RW now and the contract is huge for another 2 years however he might be a strong fit to play center on the 2nd line while giving Necas some faceoffs. I see Necas is taking a lot more faceoffs this year. Looks like it's by design. Transition next year where these guys swap.

FWIW: my idea was to acquire Duchene and Tanner Jeannot from Nashville. Price would be expensive but Jeannot can play a heavy game and has some scoring ability.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Here's where this explanation breaks down: Brind'Amour isn't placing a top-6 forward on Necas' line because "it doesn't matter much whether we label Necas as a wing or center". He's putting a center in that spot...a center who, by seeming consensus, doesn't belong in the top-6.

That's true, but it's also a broader issue than it is just one of Necas playing center. We really don't have 6 top 6 players right now. We have Aho, Svech, Necas that are top 6. We have Jarvis and TT that are technically capable but not playing like it. We need another top 6 player, period. We need another top 6 player. Preferably a C.

Think about when MaxPac entered the lineup...If TT had moved onto Necas' line, then your explanation would hold water, but TT got moved to the 4th line while Stastny remained as the #2 C.

Fair point.

 

[LakeLivin]

We need a trade soon. The troops are getting restless.

If we managed the team according to the troops, instead of looking like we've got a long term contention window I believe we'd be in more of a Vancouver-ish situation right now. Just saying . . .

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

We need a trade soon. The troops are getting restless.

So are the tropes.

 

[sabremike]

I think you're underestimating what a vicious wife beater Hull was. He beat his first wife bloody, held her off a balcony, threatened her with a loaded shotgun. That shit wasn't "very common" then or at any point in history.

There are plenty of people out there who deserve and need defending. Jumping up to shield Bobby Hull (and Ty Cobb!) from criticism ain't it.

Much of what we think about Ty Cobb is in fact complete bullshit made up by Al Stump. Tim Hornbaker did a great job debunking a lot of myths about what an awful person Cobb was in the bio he did on him a few years back that I strongly recommend checking out.
War on the Basepaths: The Definitive Biography of Ty Cobb|Paperback

 

[whiskers]

Habs star goalie Price moving to B.C., selling home in Montreal

Months after a knee injury put Montreal goaltender Carey Price off the ice for the 2023 season, the Price family says they're preparing to leave the province.

montreal.ctvnews.ca

Should't a player stay near the team and help in any capacity , if hes going there to scout etc thats fine , but we all know he's going riding which it isnt best for his knee , Habs been wanting him to retire but i cant blame Price to get paid in full .im also wondering what is Gardiner doing , has he even showed up in Carolina this year , is he in the stand watching his teamates play?