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[cptjeff]

Well then. That's a very stupid move by the Isles. Lou must be desperate to save his job or something.

 

[MinJaBen]

Well then. That's a very stupid move by the Isles. Lou must be desperate to save his job or something.

Maybe he’s hoping it shows confidence in the team and motivates them to make a big push?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Wow, what a joke. The Isles are dumb as shit doing TDL deal like that. They must accept their fate!

But yeah, glad it wasn't anyone we'll be facing in the playoffs. I'm going to try not to be surprised and aggravated when all the top players go to other teams and we get "reclamation projects"

"We need a 2C"

We HAD a 2C. And his name was Vincent Trocheck... His name was Vincent...Trocheck.

Tro was a nice story but not a 2C that was taking us anywhere.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Also anyone want to ELI5 why Bobby Hull is a PoS? Not defending him, I'm just genuinely ignorant.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Maybe he’s hoping it shows confidence in the team and motivates them to make a big push?

or maybe it's because he's 80 years old? JR should feel ashamed of himself for taking advantage of an old man.

Also anyone want to ELI5 why Bobby Hull is a PoS? Not defending him, I'm just genuinely ignorant.

It's in the "personal life" part of his wikipedia page.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

or maybe it's because he's 80 years old? JR should feel ashamed of himself for taking advantage of an old man.


It's in the "personal life" part of his wikipedia page.

Wow.

I did Nazi that coming.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Tro was a nice story but not a 2C that was taking us anywhere.

Oh? Who is the 2C going to take us somewhere? Where he at?

I guess this is like when people were thrilled when we traded Skinner for a bag of crap.

KK is the one not taking us anywhere. And whomever we get at the TDL I Guaran-goddamn-tee he won't be as good as Tro.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I get what you mean but man, I feel like Columbus was in a better position than the NYI are right now. The Jackets wanted to make noise in the playoffs, the Islanders are behind Caps/Pens but also have competition from everyone else in the East besides CBJ and Montreal.

Islanders don't have a good prospect pool. Raty was that guy. IMO bad trade for the NYI. Maybe it will work out somehow but I think they'll regret trading Raty down the road.

I was just looking at trade value. A lot of fans didn’t see Horvat getting an unprecedented return and this isn’t that; it’s in line with Duchene and Hall.

I agree, though. Lurking around the boards, this opinion seems to be the consensus. Aggressiveness beyond justification.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Oh? Who is the 2C going to take us somewhere? Where he at?

I guess this is like when people were thrilled when we traded Skinner for a bag of crap.

KK is the one not taking us anywhere. And whomever we get at the TDL I Guaran-goddamn-tee he won't be as good as Tro.

And so what if the player wouldn’t be as good as Tro? We have the same points through 49 games as last season. So anyone we get will be an upgrade to our roster and presumably make us better.

 

[MadeUpName]

Oh? Who is the 2C going to take us somewhere? Where he at?

I guess this is like when people were thrilled when we traded Skinner for a bag of crap.

KK is the one not taking us anywhere. And whomever we get at the TDL I Guaran-goddamn-tee he won't be as good as Tro.

When Carolina finds their eventual 2C option everyone will be very happy that they didn't waste money on Trocheck. The team isn't any worse with Kotkaniemi or Stastny in that spot. What Carolina needs is a real impact 2C. Not Trocheck.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

KK is the one not taking us anywhere. And whomever we get at the TDL I Guaran-goddamn-tee he won't be as good as Tro.

Agree, The best we can hope for is to grab some team's scrap heap 2C like we did at the deadline in 2020.

 

[Negan4Coach]

And so what if the player wouldn’t be as good as Tro? We have the same points through 49 games as last season. So anyone we get will be an upgrade to our roster and presumably make us better.

Yeah I get that. I thought we've graduated past the "what makes the Canes a great regular season team?" phase to "what is going to make them great in the playoffs"?

And while Tro may not have been the most impressive 2C, he was a hell of a lot better than KK, sorry. Then again- it may just be that the Borg are perfectly alright with this team being the new version of the pre-2020 Sharks- make the playoffs each and every year with great records, lose in 2nd round. Cost controlled assets, no big bold moves for big name players. Hey- can't beat the profits of all the playoff appearances.

 

[MadeUpName]

Yeah I get that. I thought we've graduated past the "what makes the Canes a great regular season team?" phase to "what is going to make them great in the playoffs"?

And while Tro may not have been the most impressive 2C, he was a hell of a lot better than KK, sorry. Then again- it may just be that the Borg are perfectly alright with this team being the new version of the pre-2020 Sharks- make the playoffs each and every year with great records, lose in 2nd round. Cost controlled assets, no big bold moves for big name players. Hey- can't beat the profits of all the playoff appearances.

Trocheck was a terrible Playoff performer. It may be one of the main reasons they moved on from him. So this argument is null.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Yeah I get that. I thought we've graduated past the "what makes the Canes a great regular season team?" phase to "what is going to make them great in the playoffs"?

And while Tro may not have been the most impressive 2C, he was a hell of a lot better than KK, sorry. Then again- it may just be that the Borg are perfectly alright with this team being the new version of the pre-2020 Sharks- make the playoffs each and every year with great records, lose in 2nd round. Cost controlled assets, no big bold moves for big name players. Hey- can't beat the profits of all the playoff appearances.

Tro didn’t put us over the top in the playoffs.

He like everyone else scored a lot more at home than away. And that was just last season. Didn’t score much the other 2.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I was just looking at trade value. A lot of fans didn’t see Horvat getting an unprecedented return and this isn’t that; it’s in line with Duchene and Hall.

I agree, though. Lurking around the boards, this opinion seems to be the consensus. Aggressiveness beyond justification.

You mean Hall to Arizona, right? Yes, I'd say that the return quality was similar to that. I would say that the Horvat return was better than both Duchene's and Hall's but only very slightly so, and that will mostly depend on how well Beauvillier plays over the next 1 and a half seasons. If he can play to the level that he did under Trotz, he could easily get a 2nd+ from someone at the next deadline.

 

[DaveG]

Oh? Who is the 2C going to take us somewhere? Where he at?

I guess this is like when people were thrilled when we traded Skinner for a bag of crap.

KK is the one not taking us anywhere. And whomever we get at the TDL I Guaran-goddamn-tee he won't be as good as Tro.

I think the 2C is here already, better than Tro, but hasn't been moved to the position yet. It's going to be Necas. I think he just needs to keep proving himself defefensively and work on his FOs to get the shot from Rod.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think the 2C is here already, better than Tro, but hasn't been moved to the position yet. It's going to be Necas. I think he just needs to keep proving himself defefensively and work on his FOs to get the shot from Rod.

I wish Rod would give him at least a little bit of time at C ahead of the TDL. Just to see if we could target a winger instead of a center, which would really open up the field of possibilities.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I think the 2C is here already, better than Tro, but hasn't been moved to the position yet. It's going to be Necas. I think he just needs to keep proving himself defefensively and work on his FOs to get the shot from Rod.

His face off stays are pretty poor though. He may need another year to improve before getting the nod.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Yep. The admins here can be morons, but that one's on a whole new level. You fundamentally cannot talk about Bobby Hull's legacy honestly without mentioning the brutally awful aspects of him as a person. If you don't want bad things said about you when you die, don't be a crappy human being. Trying to limit the discussion is nothing less than a deliberate attempt to erase reality.

As always, refer to Hunter Thompson.

Oh we're doing retroactive cancel culture today? Yay! I had no idea.

I agree, I don't like being silenced by the Admins either but I guess you guys get to finally see what the shoe is like on the other foot, eh?

So I'm wondering what is more "brutally awful" to people? A fairly garden variety "Hitler was awful but..." comment that may not even have happened (unless we suddenly believe Russians now for a minute). Or was it that he was a drunk who liked to knock his old lady around? I'm guessing it is the former.

And while I take a dim view of wife-beating, in his day it was unfortunately very common. I'll bet we could go down the list of famous athletes and find this kinda thing. Mickey Mantel? Holy crap how about Ty Cobb? They need to exhume his grave at this point.

IDK what the point is of dredging up someone's personal life is. The guy was famous for being a great hockey player- acknowledge that with his passing and move on. But I do understand that there is a statue of him which could be set upon by a mob crazed by the internet and torn down.

 

[tarheelhockey]

His face off stays are pretty poor though. He may need another year to improve before getting the nod.

What team was it that had a good faceoff guy playing wing, and he would take the draw and just switch with the guy who was the actual C? I could see us doing something like that, considering the way we gimmick Staal in overtime. We have an abundance of guys with plenty of faceoff experience who can also play wing -- Turbo, Martinook, Kotkaniemi, Stastny, Stepan. There might be a way to have the best of both worlds, especially if they pick up a winger who can take those draws and offset some of the defensive responsibilities.

A year ago I'd have said Max Domi would be a perfect fit, but... no.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Oh we're doing retroactive cancel culture today? Yay! I had no idea.

I agree, I don't like being silenced by the Admins either but I guess you guys get to finally see what the shoe is like on the other foot, eh?

So I'm wondering what is more "brutally awful" to people? A fairly garden variety "Hitler was awful but..." comment that may not even have happened (unless we suddenly believe Russians now for a minute). Or was it that he was a drunk who liked to knock his old lady around? I'm guessing it is the former.

And while I take a dim view of wife-beating, in his day it was unfortunately very common. I'll bet we could go down the list of famous athletes and find this kinda thing. Mickey Mantel? Holy crap how about Ty Cobb? They need to exhume his grave at this point.

IDK what the point is of dredging up someone's personal life is. The guy was famous for being a great hockey player- acknowledge that with his passing and move on. But I do understand that there is a statue of him which could be set upon by a mob crazed by the internet and torn down.

I think you're underestimating what a vicious wife beater Hull was. He beat his first wife bloody, held her off a balcony, threatened her with a loaded shotgun. That shit wasn't "very common" then or at any point in history.

There are plenty of people out there who deserve and need defending. Jumping up to shield Bobby Hull (and Ty Cobb!) from criticism ain't it.

 

[MinJaBen]

I think the 2C is here already, better than Tro, but hasn't been moved to the position yet. It's going to be Necas. I think he just needs to keep proving himself defefensively and work on his FOs to get the shot from Rod.

I think his only chance with Rod is a potatoe.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't think where Necas plays is that important. In transition, he's more often than not carrying the puck and driving play so it's not that important. In the offensive zone, positions don't matter much as the 3 forwards are fluid and rotate/backfill in the Canes system. in the D-zone is where he'd play differently and cover down low. Would that hamper his production?

Part of me wants to see him tried at C, but part of me is in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp in that he's having a fabulous season and do we want to mess with that?

 

[Canes]

I don't really like the trade for either side. Feels like Vancouver probably could have got more given it's still quite a bit before the deadline. Also the trade makes very little sense the Islanders. Just meh.

 

[MinJaBen]

I don't really like the trade for either side. Feels like Vancouver probably could have got more given it's still quite a bit before the deadline. Also the trade makes very little sense the Islanders. Just meh.

They probably weren’t getting a better 1st, but otherwise I agree.