Around the League 36-But Who's Counting...

[NotOpie]

Well.....an interesting data point tonight....Teravainen played 2C w/Svech and Jarvis on his wings for the entire 3rd period. Plus, Tripp made a comment that it was something Rod had wanted to try for a while (or something like that)....

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

Wonder if the Isles would have to consider trading Horvat if they have a rough February and he doesn't extend. They're 6th in the division right now with both Buffalo and Florida in the wildcard mix on the Atlantic's side. Not sure if that's ever happened before, especially in a deal of that magnitude.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Sens go into the break winning 4 in a row. What? Two were against Montreal? Well I have it on authority they are an NHL team, they all count.

Please Canes do me a solid and beat the Sabres in regulation tomorrow.

 

[chaz4hockey]

32 thoughts comment on Sinclair situation (lol Bettman is not worried):

teams across the NHL, NBA and MLB warily eye this storyline.

Bloomberg reported last week that Sinclair, which owns the company and holds $55B in sports media rights, is prepared to skip a $140M interest payment next month. The big question is: where does this take us? In the NHL, Bally’s broadcasts Anaheim, Arizona, Carolina, Columbus, Dallas, Detroit, Florida, Los Angeles, Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis and Tampa Bay. There are a lot of unanswered questions, first among them being: Will Sinclair try to cut back payments or cut contracts outright under bankruptcy? If so, what could that mean for payments to teams and, as an extension of that, the salary cap?

A couple of sources indicate that there isn’t a clear answer to these questions, but the affected teams are prepared for the possibility of some financial pain. We all knew that cord cutting would push teams closer to their own streaming plans. We’re moving closer to that, but the worry has always been if streaming your own content will ever make “rights-fee” money. MLB in particular did big business off the regional television model because it’s the big summer sport. Fills up hours and hours of programming when there’s not a lot of competition. One exec called this “the biggest sports story no one is paying attention to

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

What team was it that had a good faceoff guy playing wing, and he would take the draw and just switch with the guy who was the actual C?

I believe that was Brandon Dubinsky.

You're probably right but I still feel like Vancouver could have held out longer in the hopes of getting a better package and still wound up with at least something similar to what they got from the Islanders at the worst. I'm guessing JR locked in on Beauvillier and/or Raty.

They might have gotten more, especially if they found a team ready to give an extension.

But isn't that what they did with JT Miller and they ended up failing to make it work, which is why they gave him his big stupid contract? Unsurprising they didn't want to go through that circus again. They got a 1st + a decent prospect for a rental, about as good as you can expect from trading a non-star player.

 

[Derailed75]

We need a trade soon. The fans are getting restless.

FIFY.

I dont think the players care one way or another. They are well aware that they are in 2nd place and are one of the best teams in the league. They might want or feel better about a trade if one of the other contenders (IE not Islanders) improves their team but I feel right now to a man this roster feels when healthy it can go toe to toe with any team in the league.

Its us fans that think they have to add something.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The Canes will add something significant to the team. They have at least $8.5M in cap space, and it's likely that they won't just use that space to retain salary for draft picks. The last time that they had this much cap to play with, Skjei and Trocheck both became Hurricanes. I'd be shocked if it was Timo Meier, but it'll be something.

 

[cptjeff]

FIFY.

I dont think the players care one way or another. They are well aware that they are in 2nd place and are one of the best teams in the league. They might want or feel better about a trade if one of the other contenders (IE not Islanders) improves their team but I feel right now to a man this roster feels when healthy it can go toe to toe with any team in the league.

Its us fans that think they have to add something.

I also don't think shipping out a much loved guy like Jarvis for a rental would be likely to do wonders for the room. What you're giving up matters a lot too.

Seriously, why the ever loving f*** are we talking about that? A young cost controlled high end talent, because he's in a bit of a slump at age 20? What are y'all smoking?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Interesting data I found when looking due to the thread about Carolina's comebacks. The summary is that Carolina is not coming back more than other top teams. The good teams lead more often and when they do trail, they comeback more often. This tab on one website surprised me a little. The Carolina Hurricanes have TRAILED less amount of time (on average / game) than any other team in the NHL and they've LED the 2nd most amount of time (behind Boston).

https://morehockeystats.com/teams/leadingtrailing

 

[WreckingCrew]

Interesting data I found when looking due to the thread about Carolina's comebacks. The summary is that Carolina is not coming back more than other top teams. The good teams lead more often and when they do trail, they comeback more often. This tab on one website surprised me a little. The Carolina Hurricanes have TRAILED less amount of time (on average / game) than any other team in the NHL and they've LED the 2nd most amount of time (behind Boston).

https://morehockeystats.com/teams/leadingtrailing

Now where's the article on blown leads, because for about 10 games there we were trying to set a single-season record I think

But yea, it makes sense that the top 2 teams in the league would trail the least and lead the most time...that makes logical sense. Water IS wet

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Now where's the article on blown leads, because for about 10 games there we were trying to set a single-season record I think

I don't know how to get data where a team blows a lead but still wins. As far as losing a game after leading?

Canes are 9th (9th least so 9th BEST) in the NHL, but it's deceiving. MTL is 2nd, but that's because they don't lead nearly as often so less chance of losing.

BOS: 4 games lost after leading
MTL: 7 game slots after leading
TBL: 7
MIN, WPG, VGN: 8
CAR: 9 (SEA and EDM have 9 also).

At the bottom of the list:

PHI, FLA, DAL: 14
PIT: 16
SJS: 21

 

[The Faulker 27]

FIFY.

I dont think the players care one way or another. They are well aware that they are in 2nd place and are one of the best teams in the league. They might want or feel better about a trade if one of the other contenders (IE not Islanders) improves their team but I feel right now to a man this roster feels when healthy it can go toe to toe with any team in the league.

Its us fans that think they have to add something.

Was referring to fans. Specifically HF.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Quite a bit of drop off in one year. It would be helpful if they could offer a more simplified viewer experience for retention purposes if nothing else.

 

[DaveG]

Can't say I've seen either network marketing the games as heavily this year which may be playing a part. Add in that the quality of ESPN broadcasts for the NHL last year definitely wouldn't help attract return viewers.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Quite a bit of drop off in one year. It would be helpful if they could offer a more simplified viewer experience for retention purposes if nothing else.

How much of said drop was a shift to streaming and other online options for games? They never mention these things in the numbers.

 

[cptjeff]

How much of said drop was a shift to streaming and other online options for games? They never mention these things in the numbers.

And how much of it was Bally dropping off of most cable packages?

Oh, NVM, just national games.

 

[Svechhammer]

Quite a bit of drop off in one year. It would be helpful if they could offer a more simplified viewer experience for retention purposes if nothing else.

ESPN does not market hockey. We all saw this shit coming from a country mile away. They put hockey on the back shelf while promoting everything but the sport 24 hours a day.

The kicker is that TNT is doing a better job with the guys they have than ESPN with promoting the sport. Their studio segments with Biz are legitimately good and they're putting in an effort to bring that coverage up to the standard they have set with their NBA broadcasts. But ESPN? Nah, they don't care.

I'm glad that my ESPN+ subscription comes with Center Ice. I wish that my regional Canes broadcasts could be bundled with that, and maybe soon it will be (and I'll be glad to pay more if they do). The day we get rid of local blackout restrictions, you'll see an immediate spike in viewership around the country. Half this problem is because Sinclair is making it f***ing impossible to watch your own teams.

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

ESPN does not market hockey. We all saw this shit coming from a country mile away. They put hockey on the back shelf while promoting everything but the sport 24 hours a day.

The kicker is that TNT is doing a better job with the guys they have than ESPN with promoting the sport. Their studio segments with Biz are legitimately good and they're putting in an effort to bring that coverage up to the standard they have set with their NBA broadcasts. But ESPN? Nah, they don't care.

I'm glad that my ESPN+ subscription comes with Center Ice. I wish that my regional Canes broadcasts could be bundled with that, and maybe soon it will be (and I'll be glad to pay more if they do). The day we get rid of local blackout restrictions, you'll see an immediate spike in viewership around the country. Half this problem is because Sinclair is making it f***ing impossible to watch your own teams.

It's interesting when scrolling down ESPN+ home screen to "Leagues" and how often there is MMA, women's BBall, some odd golf tourney, soccer, etc. before NHLsitting in the 5th spot even on nights there are plenty of games.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

ESPN does not market hockey. We all saw this shit coming from a country mile away. They put hockey on the back shelf while promoting everything but the sport 24 hours a day.

The kicker is that TNT is doing a better job with the guys they have than ESPN with promoting the sport. Their studio segments with Biz are legitimately good and they're putting in an effort to bring that coverage up to the standard they have set with their NBA broadcasts. But ESPN? Nah, they don't care.

I'm glad that my ESPN+ subscription comes with Center Ice. I wish that my regional Canes broadcasts could be bundled with that, and maybe soon it will be (and I'll be glad to pay more if they do). The day we get rid of local blackout restrictions, you'll see an immediate spike in viewership around the country. Half this problem is because Sinclair is making it f***ing impossible to watch your own teams.

I look forward to them seeing this and going "lets run back what NBC was doing for viewership" And we're back to seeing nothing but O6, Philly and Pittsburgh all the time regardless of how bad they may be.

 

[Svechhammer]

I look forward to them seeing this and going "lets run back what NBC was doing for viewership" And we're back to seeing nothing but O6, Philly and Pittsburgh all the time regardless of how bad they may be.

I mean at least at that point ESPN would be spending some time on the NHL. As it is, the entire sport has been shoved to the back corner and forgotten outside of the weekly 'oh shit, we need to mention we are contractually obligated to air a game in 5 mins'

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Will be crazy in 2 years when the coyotes have bedard and matthews down the middle

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Will be crazy in 2 years when the coyotes have bedard and matthews down the middle

could be. it would be funny to see Matthews go from one team to the next who doesnt do well in the playoffs.

 

[tarheelhockey]

How much of said drop was a shift to streaming and other online options for games? They never mention these things in the numbers.

I can only speak for myself, but I pay for ESPN+ (plus a VPN for Canes games) so I catch the vast majority of the Canes schedule plus a bunch of other random games I decide to drop in to.

The only thing I'm not watching (for money) are national broadcasts. I'm not buying a $80/month cable subscription so I can watch one Canes game. Sorry, that is not happening ever, and I know I am not alone in this dynamic. They can figure out a fix or they can keep watching those numbers drop.

People have been warning for years that this was going to happen, and here it is in hard data.

 

[raynman]

I can only speak for myself, but I pay for ESPN+ (plus a VPN for Canes games) so I catch the vast majority of the Canes schedule plus a bunch of other random games I decide to drop in to.

The only thing I'm not watching (for money) are national broadcasts. I'm not buying a $80/month cable subscription so I can watch one Canes game. Sorry, that is not happening ever, and I know I am not alone in this dynamic. They can figure out a fix or they can keep watching those numbers drop.

People have been warning for years that this was going to happen, and here it is in hard data.

When it’s national I just do a free trial of one of those streaming services like fubo or YouTube tv.

 

[bleedgreen]

When it’s national I just do a free trial of one of those streaming services like fubo or YouTube tv.

Lol I did this just this week with fubo so I could watch the Kings game, only to be foiled last night because fubo doesn’t carry TNT. Should’ve seen that coming.

I’m fine with espn plus generally. Fubo is the only way to stream the Avs locally but their prices are outrageous.