Around the League - 2024-2025

[Not My Tempo]

Im not an Aaron Ward fan at all but he's right

Not sure if I fully agree, but only because NMCs also exist.

It’s definitely entertaining though. A team is essentially threatening to go into a lose-lose situation via waivers if a player with a NTC doesn’t play ball.

 

[ACC1224]

Im not an Aaron Ward fan at all but he's right

So Trouba can waive a trade to a team on his list but if the Team puts him on Waivers, he could be claimed by any Team including those on his list?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[ULF_55]

Im not an Aaron Ward fan at all but he's right

But it cuts both ways.

A players signs a huge deal off a couple great years and then starts to decline a little or a lot ... do they offer a refund to the team? Can't not in the CBA.

Players will still get their money, whether in the AHL or NHL or in the press box.

...

How about a player signs in a tax free state for more in pocket money, and then get traded to a high income tax team?

Poor millionaire athletes should ... suck it up.

 

[1specter]

Re Laf; vs. Kakko

Laf has 17 points in 24 games, with 17:27 a game, 8 goals.
Kakko has 13 points, in 24 games, with 13:27 a game, 4 goals.

Laf starts 62% in the Ozone, Kakko 52%

Laf is on ice for 4.5 goals against/60
Kakko is on ice for 1.4 goals against/60

Laf is on ice for 2.8 GF/60, Kakko 3.4 GF/60

Kakko on ice goals 74.4%, Expected 57.7%
Laf on ice goals 43.1%, expected 49.6%

Laf -11
Kakko +10

Laf scores more no question, more points.
When Laf is on the ice, NYR are losing at the game of hockey
When Kakko is on the ice, NYR are winning at the game of hockey.

Just my opinion.

This season sure. From 21/22 to 23/24 seasons (a 3 year sample) they have fairly similar xGF and CF figures, with Laf doing better on the offensive metrics (CF/60, xGF/60) and Kakko being slightly better in the defensive figures. Laf does start in the offensive zone a lot more, but I'm not sure that's necessarily a negative given that he is more of a threat to score than Kakko is.

Laf has overall produced more for a number of years, Kakko had the one 40 pt season but that was about it.

 

[ULF_55]

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Laf has overall produced more for a number of years, Kakko had the one 40 pt season but that was about it.

If Leafs drafted him (Kakko) he's already a bust.

 

[SprDaVE]

Not sure if I fully agree, but only because NMCs also exist.

It’s definitely entertaining though. A team is essentially threatening to go into a lose-lose situation via waivers if a player with a NTC doesn’t play ball.

But it cuts both ways.

A players signs a huge deal off a couple great years and then starts to decline a little or a lot ... do they offer a refund to the team? Can't not in the CBA.

Players will still get their money, whether in the AHL or NHL or in the press box.

...

How about a player signs in a tax free state for more in pocket money, and then get traded to a high income tax team?

Poor millionaire athletes should ... suck it up.

It does cut both ways and they aren't doing something against the CBA, so it's whatever. I don't disagree that players do scummy stuff to force a trade or sit out to get a huge contract, and they get called out for it all the time. But I do think it's a scummy thing to do regardless from the Rangers and they deserve flack for this to me. Basically forcing the player to waive their NTC for whatever team or go on waivers. Treating a player like that, especially the captain, is going to a new level.

It is very entertaining though and I'm glad we're not the focus of this

So Trouba can waive a trade to a team on his list but if the Team puts him on Waivers, he could be claimed by any Team including those on his list?

Yep.

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[garce]

I think it was McMann that was penalized against Detroit. Then McDavid did it to JT's stick and seconds later Draisaitl tied the game with the net empty. Another rule being applied inconsistently. Or just applied against the Leafs might be a better way to put it

I later realized it was Frank Corrado doing the Hab game not Mike Johnson. Both are good but I’m positive MJ awould have at least commented on this sequence right after Laine did this Nash got a penalty sitting up Laines 5on 3 goal to start the third, pivotal moment in what was a tight 1-0 game at that point, league has a terrible problem with refereeing inconsistency

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Dubas pays a 1st to dump Marleau. Rangers dump Trouba for a mid pick. Ugh.

 

[uncleben]

Dubas pays a 1st to dump Marleau. Rangers dump Trouba for a mid pick. Ugh.

Eh, you're grasping a bit there.
The market fluctuates. Dozens of other players get the Marleau deal too.
Anaheim clearly saw value here, though. And Verbeek is largely getting roasted for it on the mains, too.

Roast Dubas for many things, but it's not like he turned down getting a 4th to instead give up a 1st. If the rest of the League doesn't want to give up assets for the player, you can't force them. Especially when we were backed into a corner, versus NYR burning bridges with their captain just bc (lol)

And don't get me wrong. That was a bad deal for us - even acknowledging our hand was forced, it was still bad. But it's hardly a comparison to this Trouba trade.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Dubas pays a 1st to dump Marleau. Rangers dump Trouba for a mid pick. Ugh.

Lou was in charge of getting Patty, as soon as he left teams started sharpening the knives to get a piece of the smug rookie GM.

What makes this even more sad is Trouba, while he isn't what he was is still a decent #4RHD and is only 30, with 2x8 in a higher cap, while Patty was a washed 39 year old at 1x6.5.

 

[ToneDog]

They should be moving heaven and earth to get Marner.

 

[francis246]

They should be moving heaven and earth to get Marner.

Marner would never waive to go to NYC and there’s not a chance in hell Toronto would put Marner on waivers. So yeah that’s a pipe dream.

 

[ACC1224]

Marner would never waive to go to NYC and there’s not a chance in hell Toronto would put Marner on waivers. So yeah that’s a pipe dream.

Not that they would, but he can't be placed on Waivers.

 

[Voodoo Child]

They should be moving heaven and earth to get Marner.

They already have Panarin, a similar player who's a little better offensively, way worse defensively and makes more.

 

[francis246]

But it cuts both ways.

A players signs a huge deal off a couple great years and then starts to decline a little or a lot ... do they offer a refund to the team? Can't not in the CBA.

Players will still get their money, whether in the AHL or NHL or in the press box.

...

How about a player signs in a tax free state for more in pocket money, and then get traded to a high income tax team?

Poor millionaire athletes should ... suck it up.

Didn’t Trouba use his NTC to force a trade to NY when his wife got a job there? So it goes both ways. Also Trouba should negotiate an NMC so he can’t go on waivers lol.

Not that they would, but he can't be placed on Waivers.

Yup he’s got his NMC

 

[BertCorbeau]

Gudas and Trouba on the same blue line

 

[ACC1224]

Gudas and Trouba on the same blue line

We'll see it first hand, Ducks are here next week.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

They should be moving heaven and earth to get Marner.

We don’t match up, I’d only move Marner for fox otherwise it’s no deal, but I can’t see them doing that as they just gave another dman up.

 

[BertCorbeau]

We'll see it first hand, Ducks are here next week.

Just escape that game uninjured

 

[ACC1224]

We don’t match up, I’d only move Marner for fox otherwise it’s no deal, but I can’t see them doing that as they just gave another dman up.

It doesn't matter. Leafs see themselves as a contender, they aren't going hurt themselves to help a rival.

 

[Peasy]

Im not an Aaron Ward fan at all but he's right

Couldnt disagree more with this take.

He has a modified no trade clause, not a no move clause. If he did have one, he wouldn't be in this position. NHL teams already hand these out like candy and way more than any other sport. All it does is restrict player movement and entertainment.

You know what Trouba could have done if he didnt want to get moved? He simply could have played better.

 

[Evilhomer]

I'm sure the Rangers will dump him on a team like Anaheim.

Damn

 

[francis246]

Another top ufa resigned. Igor resigned 8 years 11.5-12