True. I'm a little surprised to be honest. But maybe coaching those Preds and Isles teams all these years showed him that you can't get it done with depth alone.
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True. I'm a little surprised to be honest. But maybe coaching those Preds and Isles teams all these years showed him that you can't get it done with depth alone.
Doesn’t this mean he thinks drafting a guy with a long shot to even play any nhl games at all > ‘wasting’ picks on projected career 3rd/4th liners, guys you can pick up on the waiver wire? (Or more likely savvy late round picks in trade).
Maybe that’s what you meant too lol that’s how I took it anyway
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Cuz he got saddled with a team of bottom 6 forwards his entire career coaching
Outside of Washington, he never had an opportunity to coach franchise players.
I'd also argue that he's just a smart and logical person. Nashville is in no-mans land, might as well swing for the fences. Best case you draft a franchise level player and stay competitive, worst case you draft a few busts and go into a full-fledge rebuild.
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Makes one wonder what Avs mgt is telling their scouts. Maybe it's something like "Don't try to do anything to show off."?
Or stay home, we'll use the central scouting list.
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Someone with too much time on their hands could make a quick list of what would have been our picks in the last 10-12 years had they done that. Maybe just the first 2 rounds.
Too complicated for Avs scouting, they wouldn't know how to compare the rankings between North American and International players.
dahrougem2
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Trotz ain't no dummy. Sure he has a preferred style but he also got a ton out of stars Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov and Carlson when he finally had them on his roster. His Preds and Islanders teams had no high end talent.
He knows what you need to win. You need stars.
He knows what you need to win. You need stars.
The Kingslayer
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I hope someone hires Patrick Roy. I actually hope the rangers do
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I would take with a huge grain of salt this narrative that Shanahan rejected a bunch of trades, and that they were even good trades to begin with. They've mostly come from guys often accused of being shills like Darren Dreger and James Mirtle. Mirtle's piece read like a pure hatchet job.
As far as I know, the only specifics we've heard, is from Darren Dreger, that Shanahan rejected a deal of MAF and Hagel for Mrazek, Matthew Knies and two 1st round picks. Hagel is a good player, but Knies is a good prospect, and two firsts is nothing to scoff at.
That's essentially the value of three first round picks. That kind of package should get you a better return than a bad goalie and a guy who just finished tied for 80th in points and tied for 52nd in goals during a career year.
Not to mention Dubas had already made bad trades and bad decisions in the past that would necessitate keeping a close eye on his decisions. All those huge contracts signed his first year. Trading Kadri for Kerfoot and Tyson Barrie who they didn't need. Mason Marchment for Malgin.
Meanwhile he gave away all their draft picks and has one win past the 1st round to show for it. They've had one 1st round pick in the last four years. They also have no 1st rounder in 2025 and he had to trade Sandin to the Caps for Boston's 1st this year and Erik Gustaffson who barely played for them. Plus they have no 2nd round picks the next three years. They also don't have a 3rd tor 4th this year and don't have a 4th in 2025 either.
Pretty much every GM has to run things through the President of the team. Their role is to have the last say on hockey decisions, and brief ownership beforehand. Dubas is a prime reason why.
The fact that this MAF/Hagel deal is the only one to leak, is a pretty strong indication IMO that either there weren't any other deals he vetoed, or the other ones make Dubas look even worse.
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Both Dubas and Shanny rejected that collectively. Friedman talked about it in a recent 32 thoughts. It was Chicago's ask, and Leafs immediately said no. Friedman also, very politely as he is known to do, mentioned that Shanny blocking trades was a bit overblown.
It'll be interesting to see the new media dynamic with the Leafs moving forward. Friedman said today that the Leafs were unhappy with the continued piling on from the Dubas shills (Mirtle, Jonas Siegel, Chris Johnston). It's notable that Dreger broke the trade, since he was appeared not to have a great relationship with Dubas (out of context from an unrelated matter, but Dreger also mentioned today about an intermission question he answered on a Leafs broadcast and Dubas texted him saying he doesn't agree with much of what Dreger says but he was spot on in that regard - essentially confirming this). The analytics crowd were all pro Dubas of course
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With word about Treliving not moving the core 4, we can really see the disconnect on that piece. Dubas was ready and willing to break up that core... Shanny is not.
Gotta have room for Ryan Hardy
Gotta have room for Ryan Hardy
Bill Peckerskull
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Bill Peckerskull
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BaconNater
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Leaf fans seem confident that Matthews will definitely re sign. Curious to follow that whole situation.
I hope this off season will be filled with all sorts of great drama!... Unless JTC is brought back then it will be depressing
I hope this off season will be filled with all sorts of great drama!... Unless JTC is brought back then it will be depressing
They should be confident. The future cap situation is fine (IE they can pay him market), it is the biggest hockey market with most celebrity (which Matthews loves), the organization is well connected for sponsorships, and most of all... start players of his ilk rarely leave organizations as UFAs. Sure it happens (they don't have to go farther to see than Tavares), but it is more of an exception rather than a rule. So I understand their stance.
All that said, it also wouldn't shock me to see Matthews walk either. He loves the attention and he could pick anywhere he wants to play with ease. Every team will be making a bid to just see. Which naturally means he's going to end up in Vegas.
BaconNater
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Lol never thought of the Vegas angle! I just keep thinking that yes he does like the attention and that it would definitely be LA.
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They should be confident. The future cap situation is fine (IE they can pay him market), it is the biggest hockey market with most celebrity (which Matthews loves), the organization is well connected for sponsorships, and most of all... start players of his ilk rarely leave organizations as UFAs. Sure it happens (they don't have to go farther to see than Tavares), but it is more of an exception rather than a rule. So I understand their stance.
All that said, it also wouldn't shock me to see Matthews walk either. He loves the attention and he could pick anywhere he wants to play with ease. Every team will be making a bid to just see. Which naturally means he's going to end up in Vegas.
A small part of me wants a redemption run for the 2015 US WJC team. Just pull together Eichel, Matthews, Hanifin, Werenski, Demko, Compher, Carlo, Larkin, and Tuch into one super team.
I feel like no one in Toronto deserves a promotion of any sort. What has Dubas done to deserve that job in Pittsburgh exactly? Got his team out of the first round one time?
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