Around the League - 2023/24

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henchman21

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He may also be the worst evaluator of goalies in the entire league.
His record is pretty bad there... he was right on Dobie and Daccord though. Daccord might actually end up a decent starter if he continues from where he left off last season. The black eyes are signing Grubi (who I don't think is as bad as the stats say, but is at very, very best average) and sticking with Ward way too long and trying Lack to force Lack on as the replacement.
 

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Bored today... NHL top active goal scorers by birth year:

2005 - Bedard 22
2004 - Slafkovsky 24
2003 - Johnston 56
2002 - Stutzle 91
2001 - Jack Hughes 114
2000 - Svechnikov 131
1999 - Brady Tkachuk 162
1998 - Laine 204
1997 - Matthews 368
1996 - Pasta 348
1995 - Draisaitl 347
1994 - Forsberg 287
1993 - Kucherov 320
1992 - Skinner 357
1991 - Duchene 341
1990 - Stamkos 555
1989 - Benn 383
1988 - Kane 471
1987 - Crosby 592
1986 - Malkin 498
1985 - Ovechkin 853
1984 - all retired since Pavs and Parise are retiring
1983 - Giordano (if somebody signs him)
 

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Bored today... NHL top active goal scorers by birth year:

2005 - Bedard 22
2004 - Slafkovsky 24
2003 - Johnston 56
2002 - Stutzle 91
2001 - Jack Hughes 114
2000 - Svechnikov 131
1999 - Brady Tkachuk 162
1998 - Laine 204
1997 - Matthews 368
1996 - Pasta 348
1995 - Draisaitl 347
1994 - Forsberg 287
1993 - Kucherov 320
1992 - Skinner 357
1991 - Duchene 341
1990 - Stamkos 555
1989 - Benn 383
1988 - Kane 471
1987 - Crosby 592
1986 - Malkin 498
1985 - Ovechkin 853
1984 - all retired since Pavs and Parise are retiring
1983 - Giordano (if somebody signs him)
Mack is not even in that list....what a bust.
 

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Bored today... NHL top active goal scorers by birth year:

2005 - Bedard 22
2004 - Slafkovsky 24
2003 - Johnston 56
2002 - Stutzle 91
2001 - Jack Hughes 114
2000 - Svechnikov 131
1999 - Brady Tkachuk 162
1998 - Laine 204
1997 - Matthews 368
1996 - Pasta 348
1995 - Draisaitl 347
1994 - Forsberg 287
1993 - Kucherov 320
1992 - Skinner 357
1991 - Duchene 341
1990 - Stamkos 555
1989 - Benn 383
1988 - Kane 471
1987 - Crosby 592
1986 - Malkin 498
1985 - Ovechkin 853
1984 - all retired since Pavs and Parise are retiring
1983 - Giordano (if somebody signs him)
Gio w/ 158

If Gio isn't signed I believe Ovi is the 5th oldest player in the league this upcoming season. Fleury would be the oldest turning 40 on Nov 28th. Followed by Suter, Burns, Goligoski (don't believe Bellemare has a contract currently).
 

henchman21

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Mack is not even in that list....what a bust.
Drai beats him out by 12. Given how much Drai scores, I'd say odds are high he keeps that title... but one of the more competitive races.

Matthews blows my mind though. He's surpassed 6 birth years already and has to go back to Stammer. Additionally with his birthdate, he kinda missed a year. Stammer through 9 seasons (compared to Matthews' 8) was 298 goals. 70 behind Matthews with that extra season (the 9th season was when Stammer broke his leg badly). Matthews has played 562 games, if he can score 32 goals in his first 46 games next season, he'd be the 5th fastest to 400 goals surpassing Kurri and Ovi. He's our best shot at the next 700+ goal guy and probably only shot at 800+ (besides Ovi of course).
 

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Bored today... NHL top active goal scorers by birth year:

2005 - Bedard 22
2004 - Slafkovsky 24
2003 - Johnston 56
2002 - Stutzle 91
2001 - Jack Hughes 114
2000 - Svechnikov 131
1999 - Brady Tkachuk 162
1998 - Laine 204
1997 - Matthews 368
1996 - Pasta 348
1995 - Draisaitl 347
1994 - Forsberg 287
1993 - Kucherov 320
1992 - Skinner 357
1991 - Duchene 341
1990 - Stamkos 555
1989 - Benn 383
1988 - Kane 471
1987 - Crosby 592
1986 - Malkin 498
1985 - Ovechkin 853
1984 - all retired since Pavs and Parise are retiring
1983 - Giordano (if somebody signs him)
another crazy thing that sticks out is the teams with two players they drafted on this list are Pittsburgh, Tampa, and Ottawa. Multiple cups for 2 teams and nothing for one.... Ottawa really should be able to build something with those two guys.


edit - Dallas has Johnston and Benn but they are drafted 14 years apart so not really counting that.
 
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Bored today... NHL top active goal scorers by birth year:

2005 - Bedard 22
2004 - Slafkovsky 24
2003 - Johnston 56
2002 - Stutzle 91
2001 - Jack Hughes 114
2000 - Svechnikov 131
1999 - Brady Tkachuk 162
1998 - Laine 204
1997 - Matthews 368
1996 - Pasta 348
1995 - Draisaitl 347
1994 - Forsberg 287
1993 - Kucherov 320
1992 - Skinner 357
1991 - Duchene 341
1990 - Stamkos 555
1989 - Benn 383
1988 - Kane 471
1987 - Crosby 592
1986 - Malkin 498
1985 - Ovechkin 853
1984 - all retired since Pavs and Parise are retiring
1983 - Giordano (if somebody signs him)
I flipped out for a second that you had Duchene on the list. I had to go back and look. Tavares was born in Sep 90 while Dutch was Jan 91. Tavares is killing him by over 100 goals for the those drafted in the 09 Draft.
 

henchman21

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I flipped out for a second that you had Duchene on the list. I had to go back and look. Tavares was born in Sep 90 while Dutch was Jan 91. Tavares is killing him by over 100 goals for the those drafted in the 09 Draft.
Yeah drafts are different just due to the cutoffs. I’d argue Matthews even got shafted a year and probably 35+ goals by being a few days away from being eligible for the 15 draft.
 
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expatriatedtexan

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Yeah drafts are different just due to the cutoffs. I’d argue Matthews even got shafted a year and probably 35+ goals by being a few days away from being eligible for the 15 draft.
Yeah, this was definitely a fun list to run through and think about. But because it was setup on birth years rather than draft years, it almost felt like the results of a DGB contest. You did warn us you were bored though. Thanks for sharing with us.
 
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henchman21

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Yeah, this was definitely a fun list to run through and think about. But because it was setup on birth years rather than draft years, it almost felt like the results of a DGB contest. You did warn us you were bored though. Thanks for sharing with us.
The draft year stuff is so weird. Legitimately the only age cutoff in hockey that is not based on calendar year. Guess we can thank the courts for that.
 
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I think Ron Francis is really good at building a base of a franchise, but is really poor at being able to get a team over the hump to being a consistent playoff team that can win rounds. I think Seattle has a really good base of younger players, but they'll need tweaks to take the next step consistently.
He could have done a lot more in the XD frankly. I also did not like the Hakstol hire. I was hoping the pundits were wrong but he turned out to be exactly what was predicted. Probably takes three more years to get a fair evaluation.
 

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He could have done a lot more in the XD frankly. I also did not like the Hakstol hire. I was hoping the pundits were wrong but he turned out to be exactly what was predicted. Probably takes three more years to get a fair evaluation.
Hakstol outcoached Bednar though
 

henchman21

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He could have done a lot more in the XD frankly. I also did not like the Hakstol hire. I was hoping the pundits were wrong but he turned out to be exactly what was predicted. Probably takes three more years to get a fair evaluation.
He probably could have, but they made the playoffs and won a round in year 2. That's incredibly good by historical standards with expansion teams. Vegas has just skewed peoples' thoughts so much. The knock on Francis in Carolina is that he was incredibly good at getting a collection of talent, but was never aggressive enough to get them over the hump. The same thing is pretty much happening in Seattle. They honestly have a great collection of young talent. Not elite, but there is a really solid base to build around. He's shied away from moves to get the team over the hump so far. Maybe the signings this summer signal a change?
 

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It is funny to me that we never hear about any other team losing in the playoffs that their coach got "outcoached" except when it comes to Bednar.
 

henchman21

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I'd say Hakstol out coached Bednar.

IMO Bednar's system when it is clicking is one of the hardest to stop in the NHL. He believes in it fully and execution is all that is needed. If it is not clicking, Bednar doesn't adjust to nearly the extent of other coaches. Bednar is an elite X's and O's coach, but a bottom 5 adjustment coach. Also a players' coach through and through. He'll never be the hard ass, authoritarian coach. There's positives and negatives to all coaches... Bednar included.
 

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It is funny to me that we never hear about any other team losing in the playoffs that their coach got "outcoached" except when it comes to Bednar.
You don't read the other boards do you.

Bednar is an elite X's and O's coach, but a bottom 5 adjustment coach.
There's one, single game plan and he's going to live or die with it. The sample is big now, we have seen it against Vegas, Seattle and Dallas.
 
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