Around the League - 2023/24

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No, he was not even worth that. I guess you can argue someone is worth whatever the market pays him, but not based on his on-ice performance. He got wayyyyy overpaid.

Your point doesn't stand, because Tavares isn't and never was a superstar.

Either way, I guess part of your point is : negotiate well, because Leafs overpaid almost every core player even if they knew they wanted to stay or come there. You need to play hardball a bit even with your top players, so you don't handcuff yourself immediately (like Leafs basically did). Matthews contract is good though for the goals he scores.
 
No, he was not even worth that. I guess you can argue someone is worth whatever the market pays him, but not based on his on-ice performance. He got wayyyyy overpaid.

Your point doesn't stand, because Tavares isn't and never was a superstar.
No he wasn't a superstar but he was certainly a star player and the market certainly called for 10M for him. He obviously got overpaid by 1M or so but everyone knew that contract was not going to age well. The issue with Tavares is the game got too fast for him, combine that with him losing a step, and that doesn't make it a good recipe for future success.

The other issue with Tavares' contract was that he was not what the Leafs needed at the time. They would have been wayyyyyyy better off keeping Kadri and Hyman and improve their D instead. IMO with that Taveres money spent on D they would have had a Cup by now.
 
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No he wasn't a superstar but he was certainly a star player and the market certainly called for 10M for him. He obviously got overpaid by 1M or so but everyone knew that contract was not going to age well. The issue with Tavares is the game got too fast for him, combine that with him losing a step, and that doesn't make it a good recipe for future success.

The other issue with Tavares' contract was that he was not what the Leafs needed at the time. They would have been wayyyyyyy better off keeping Kadri and Hyman and improve their D instead. IMO with that Taveres money spent on D they would have had a Cup by now.

True. Hyman and Kadri. Damn. They made bad decision.

Kadri had sick contract too.
 
No he wasn't a superstar but he was certainly a star player and the market certainly called for 10M for him. He obviously got overpaid by 1M or so but everyone knew that contract was not going to age well. The issue with Tavares is the game got too fast for him, combine that with him losing a step, and that doesn't make it a good recipe for future success.

The other issue with Tavares' contract was that he was not what the Leafs needed at the time. They would have been wayyyyyyy better off keeping Kadri and Hyman and improve their D instead. IMO with that Taveres money spent on D they would have had a Cup by now.
How was Tavares not a superstar? Dude was at the absolute worst a top 10C during his prime.
 
I think Tavares was a top 10 center, but I think he got paid like he was the best center in the league because he actually went to market. Top players just do not do that very often. There was the Stamkos shit show and then Tavares got his circus. The fact he went to free agency is what drove his price through the roof. This is why good GMs rarely add pieces on July 1st.
 
How was Tavares not a superstar? Dude was at the absolute worst a top 10C during his prime.
I think he was close to one but never quite got there. To me a superstar is more like McDavid, Mack, Makar, etc. Regardless..it is not really relevant to the point I was making.
 
I think he was close to one but never quite got there. To me a superstar is more like McDavid, Mack, Makar, etc. Regardless..it is not really relevant to the point I was making.
I do agree with the back half of your post tbf.

I guess I’m just surprised at the underrating of Tavares here somewhat in general.
 
The problem with the Tavares signing for Toronto wasn't that they overpaid him. He got fair market value for a high end 1C on the UFA market at the time. The problem was that Tavares was a luxury piece for the Leafs. They already had a young, soon to be elite 1C in Matthews, as well as a future Cup-winning 2C in Kadri, plus two young 1st line wingers. Tavares took up a lot of cap space that prevented them from upgrading other parts of their roster, and he just didn't fill a critical role in their team building architecture.

And it's tough, because it's hard to argue that adding a player like Tavares to your team for free is ever something you should turn down. Tavares was available and he clearly wanted to play there, what GM could say no to that kind of player falling into their lap? But at the same time it really handcuffed them in their quest to build a good defensive corps and solve their goaltending questions. And when they had the opportunity to let one of Nylander or Marner go instead and belatedly fix it, they doubled down on their "core 4" and resigned both to blank check contracts. And again, usually when you have a player as good as Marner or Nylander coming up for a new contract the right play is to keep them at all costs. But having already made the Tavares mistake they couldn't afford to do that.
 
If this arrogant moron happens to play Boston in the finals, he just gave them prime bulletin board material. Just to selfishly take a shot at his former team.
Meh, if the divorce happened on bad terms (and that seems to be the case), I don't mind players/coaches/whoever taking shots at the former team.
 
Meh, if the divorce happened on bad terms (and that seems to be the case), I don't mind players/coaches/whoever taking shots at the former team.

I think it's different for coaches. At least players have control over the outcome of games. Coaches say all the time, especially by the time the finals role around, they're mostly just motivators for their team.

This would just motivate Boston if he played them in the Finals. And they can use that quote for the rest of his coaching career too, no matter where he is. Just a very shortsighted selfish move IMO.

But I'm all for the hockey gods punishing Vegas, so I'm happy he said it.
 
I think it's different for coaches. At least players have control over the outcome of games. Coaches say all the time, especially by the time the finals role around, they're mostly just motivators for their team.

This would just motivate Boston if he played them in the Finals. And they can use that quote for the rest of his coaching career too, no matter where he is. Just a very shortsighted selfish move IMO.
And Vegas players can just as well use it as motivation, "let's prove it to them in-person why they made a bad choice".

I don't really think that's a big part in all of this.
 
IMO the issue with the Tavares deal wasn't Tavares... it was not starting to go all in at that point. Just the very nature of a big UFA deal, you start a clock... and with the talent they had they only needed some surrounding pieces. Go all in instead of waiting and then suddenly 2-3 years laters you're in cap trouble.
 
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Tavares was an almost PPG centre who was never a good skater. Giving him an above market value, max term deal was... a choice.
 
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Toronto's problem wasn't not going all in by adding. Their problem was not trading a high priced player to fix the D core. Probably Nylander or Marner, which seem unlikely now.

If the problem was not going all in, they wouldn't have a chance to win the Cup for many years from now, if they finally fix their D core, which they can't afford by just adding, they need to shed salary with smart trades.

They have plenty of time left on the clock. Especially since Tavares deal comes off the books in a year. They just need to trade for a good two way 1D, to push Rielly down the depth chart.
 
IMO the issue with the Tavares deal wasn't Tavares... it was not starting to go all in at that point. Just the very nature of a big UFA deal, you start a clock... and with the talent they had they only needed some surrounding pieces. Go all in instead of waiting and then suddenly 2-3 years laters you're in cap trouble.
I'm assuming that their internal projections for cap numbers didn't predict Covid or the stagnant cap, which has influenced their crunch certainly
 
And Vegas players can just as well use it as motivation, "let's prove it to them in-person why they made a bad choice".

I don't really think that's a big part in all of this.

I doubt it would motivate Vegas at all, and if it did, it would pale in comparison. Vegas players will probably just laugh, they won't get motivated.

If it were equal motivation, it would apply to all bulletin board material, and it would never have an effect, which we know isn't true.

Bulletin board material motivates teams, because it pisses them off.

One of the main reasons Cassidy was let go, was because he was hard on his players. He called them out publicly and was kind of a hard ass privately. Many of those players are still there.
 
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