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Goal scoring is up for many reasons but I think expansion and the platoon system is the biggest reason. Think back to just 10 ish years ago... Brodeur played 77 games in the 09-10 season!!!! The league has essentially gone from 30-40 goalies playing regularly to 65+. Players are going against much weaker goalies much more regularly than in the past.
 
Maybe over a decade of a salary cap league filled with people saying you don't need to spend a lot of money on a goalie to win has led to there not being any good goalies because what's the point?
 
I think there are lots of reasons... the one I barely see and I think has the most impact is the goalie equipment reductions. They've tweak the leg pads and blockers a lot over the years. But the new chest protector and pants that came along in the middle of the 17-18 season is where it really jumped. The NHL went from a 2.7 GF/G rate to a 3+ pretty much overnight. We've added about another .1-.15 since then which is mostly a result of more penalties called and a slightly higher effectiveness on the PP.
 
Nice to see the Oilers back on track this last little while. The live games are more enjoyable and I want to be able to go to playoff games.
 
I think there are lots of reasons... the one I barely see and I think has the most impact is the goalie equipment reductions. They've tweak the leg pads and blockers a lot over the years. But the new chest protector and pants that came along in the middle of the 17-18 season is where it really jumped. The NHL went from a 2.7 GF/G rate to a 3+ pretty much overnight. We've added about another .1-.15 since then which is mostly a result of more penalties called and a slightly higher effectiveness on the PP.
Another reason is the lack of development in Canadian goalies. For whatever reason their system has struggled over the last 10 years or so.Thus, a smaller pool of candidates.
 
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I think a good bit of the uptick in scoring is due to the continual raising of the NHL's skill floor. Just this season already you've seen guys like Paul Cotter and Brock McGinn pull off sizzling highlight reel skill plays for goals, just off the top of my head. Neither of them are known for scoring, but even they have an immense level of raw skill. It just puts into perspective how much better than that the bona fide superstars are.

I think offensive tactics in general are improving as well and making a goalie's job more difficult. Generally, if a goalie can see a shot coming and get into position, he's going to stop it. But teams do such a good job now of getting into the goalie's sight lines, deflecting pucks, creating rebounds, and generally pulling the goalie out of position that the job is becoming increasingly more difficult. Sometimes, even when the goalie plays perfectly, they can still end up with a goal against, either from a perfect shot, a deflection, or a pass across that catches them out of position.

Skaters are just too good right now for goalies to keep up, it will be interesting to see if and how the players and coaches will try to react to this new paradigm.
 
Another reason is the lack of development in Canadian goalies. For whatever reason their system has struggled over the last 10 years or so.Thus, a smaller pool of candidates.
Yeah there are a lot of little factors that play into it. I think the American system has taken up a lot of this slack specifically… but plays into it for sure.

I just mention the pants and chest protector changes as something that was basically a switch that flipped and had a dramatic uptick. It was over 10% basically overnight.

I think a good bit of the uptick in scoring is due to the continual raising of the NHL's skill floor. Just this season already you've seen guys like Paul Cotter and Brock McGinn pull off sizzling highlight reel skill plays for goals, just off the top of my head. Neither of them are known for scoring, but even they have an immense level of raw skill. It just puts into perspective how much better than that the bona fide superstars are.

I think offensive tactics in general are improving as well and making a goalie's job more difficult. Generally, if a goalie can see a shot coming and get into position, he's going to stop it. But teams do such a good job now of getting into the goalie's sight lines, deflecting pucks, creating rebounds, and generally pulling the goalie out of position that the job is becoming increasingly more difficult. Sometimes, even when the goalie plays perfectly, they can still end up with a goal against, either from a perfect shot, a deflection, or a pass across that catches them out of position.

Skaters are just too good right now for goalies to keep up, it will be interesting to see if and how the players and coaches will try to react to this new paradigm.
The pendulum will swing… just need one coach to show the way. Once that happens, it’ll cascade.
 
I would have to say that there are just a huge number of reasons that goal scoring is up. Starting with the rule changes from the lockout. The kids who have never known what a two-line pass was are now entering the league. They've never had to relearn a different way to play the game. The speed and skating has always been the emphasis of the game since their youth.

Goalie equipment size has been reduced dramatically from Roy's days. Dudes used to wear tents in the net and had them staked at the corners. But then again, the goalies today have ballooned up to 6'4" monsters.

At the end of the day though, I think we've entered a new era and should probably adjust what is the baseline NHL average for goalies. I'm not sure .918 is it anymore. Yes, if you sort NHL.com by SV% the top 14 goalies have .918 but there have been 76 folks to suit up as goalies this season. The league average is much lower.

@Gigantor The Goalie, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this topic in general if you'd care share. I know you had a different way of looking at Georgiev when I posted that he was leading the NHL in wins but had a sub .900 save percentage. I mean, he's still leading with 14 wins (2 more than Demenko) but still has a .902 save percentage while Demenko is rocking the gold-standard of .918. I can't find the conversation now, but I remember being impressed by how you were breaking things down.
 
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Reading this sparked a thought or rather a question I've had several times over the years but never really bothered to look into it or ask before...

Do you feel there is any correlation between a goalie's development and the quality of the team he/she plays for? i.e., do goalies who play for good teams develop better or do goalies on bad teams develop better with what I suppose would be a higher workload during developmental years. Or is it just a complete crapshoot and dependent on the individual goalie in question?

I think the biggest factor is how good is their goalie coach? I think Sweden, Russia, and Finland are all proving that goalie coaches matter so much right now. And not just any goalie coaches either but goalie coaches that all generally agree on what helps create the best goalies. Every goalie is different and must be approached differently but they still all share a lot of similarities too. If you were to take 10 goalies from either Sweden, Russia, or Finland, doesn't even matter the gender, you'll notice they all play relatively the same way. You see this too in how Finland can just plug and play any goalie in the World Championships.
 
Byfield has arrived. Im considering pickin him up and dropping Jeff Skinner.

Tage Thompson GWG tonight.
Morrissey GWG tonight.

Solid Fantasy night. Need Toffoli to do something before I drop his ass.

Lol Carolina cant buy a save.
 
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